Think fundamentals don't matter?

Bama1985

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FSU coach said that he already changed his long FG personnel in practice last week because of the War Damn Miracle return.

He put in faster players for the long FG package.
 

CoreGroup

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It's hard, and probably foolish and very nit-picky, to critique or criticize CNS or his staff for anything. Granted even just ONE of the 3 missed FG prior to the final play vs. Auburn wins the Iron Bowl. Having said that, go to the 1:04 mark of this video where Denver attempts (and makes!) a 64 yard field goal.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000294806/Week-14-Titans-vs-Broncos-highlights

Notice how the Denver players fire off the line after the ball is kicked and fan out like they are covering a kickoff. Tenn. had a player back under the goalpost for a possible return. Denver smartly played to cover a return.

Bama did NOT do this on the fateful final kick of the Iron Bowl. A fundamental mistake you will probably never see a Saban coached team make again.
Would have liked to see Cooper lined up in FG protection and take a pass from AJ, no way one guy could have tackled him in the open field.
 

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Would have liked to see Cooper lined up in FG protection and take a pass from AJ, no way one guy could have tackled him in the open field.
Not only was AJ not the holder, but Cade not kicking meant Bama didn't have a former MLB on the field to help with the tackle.
 

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It's hard, and probably foolish and very nit-picky, to critique or criticize CNS or his staff for anything. Granted even just ONE of the 3 missed FG prior to the final play vs. Auburn wins the Iron Bowl. Having said that, go to the 1:04 mark of this video where Denver attempts (and makes!) a 64 yard field goal.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000294806/Week-14-Titans-vs-Broncos-highlights

Notice how the Denver players fire off the line after the ball is kicked and fan out like they are covering a kickoff. Tenn. had a player back under the goalpost for a possible return. Denver smartly played to cover a return.

Bama did NOT do this on the fateful final kick of the Iron Bowl. A fundamental mistake you will probably never see a Saban coached team make again.
Aren't they a bit contradictory or was it simply a case of our guys onfield not executing the coaches instructions?
 

B1GTide

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Aren't they a bit contradictory or was it simply a case of our guys onfield not executing the coaches instructions?
One of Alabama's players in the NFL said that this was something practiced every Friday. I don't remember who it was, be he was very surprised at the breakdown given how often that practiced that scenario when he was at Alabama.

Did Saban remind them before they took the field? I have no idea, but I doubt it. If not, do we rip him the way that so many ripped the GA staff for not reminding their players to knock any pass down on that play? I wouldn't, but I didn't blame the GA staff, either.
 

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One of Alabama's players in the NFL said that this was something practiced every Friday. I don't remember who it was, be he was very surprised at the breakdown given how often that practiced that scenario when he was at Alabama.

Did Saban remind them before they took the field? I have no idea, but I doubt it. If not, do we rip him the way that so many ripped the GA staff for not reminding their players to knock any pass down on that play? I wouldn't, but I didn't blame the GA staff, either.
It was Michael Williams. He said the players didn't flank out like they were supposed to.
 

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It's hard, and probably foolish and very nit-picky, to critique or criticize CNS or his staff for anything. Granted even just ONE of the 3 missed FG prior to the final play vs. Auburn wins the Iron Bowl. Having said that, go to the 1:04 mark of this video where Denver attempts (and makes!) a 64 yard field goal.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000294806/Week-14-Titans-vs-Broncos-highlights

Notice how the Denver players fire off the line after the ball is kicked and fan out like they are covering a kickoff. Tenn. had a player back under the goalpost for a possible return. Denver smartly played to cover a return.

Bama did NOT do this on the fateful final kick of the Iron Bowl. A fundamental mistake you will probably never see a Saban coached team make again.
I pondered this post quite a bit, it's obvious Coach Saban is a bit of a living legend amongst the Bama faithful and as a newbe and not one well versed in football, tactics or man management I thought it best to keep my own counsel. Your point though about the 3 missed FGs prompted me, I remember thinking after the first miss that you could see the confidence visibly draining from the kickers face as Coach Saban berated(?) him after it. I don't know enough about his style of management to know if that is normal or expected but for the week after the Iron bowl I couldn't shake the feeling that if he hadn't been berated after the first miss the kicker may not have missed the following attempts.
 

B1GTide

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I pondered this post quite a bit, it's obvious Coach Saban is a bit of a living legend amongst the Bama faithful and as a newbe and not one well versed in football, tactics or man management I thought it best to keep my own counsel. Your point though about the 3 missed FGs prompted me, I remember thinking after the first miss that you could see the confidence visibly draining from the kickers face as Coach Saban berated(?) him after it. I don't know enough about his style of management to know if that is normal or expected but for the week after the Iron bowl I couldn't shake the feeling that if he hadn't been berated after the first miss the kicker may not have missed the following attempts.
Are you sure that Saban yelled at him? I have never seen Saban yell at a kicker before.
 

cuda.1973

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I'm still sick. Not much else to say. :(
I've actually been "sick" sick. As well as the other kind..................

Not to rehash what I have missed the last week or so, but...........

'Cuz over in Pelham called, to blame CNS. Let him spew (he doesn't like us or API), and a lot of it was "he shouldn't have gone for it on 4th down."

No, all of it was not converting, or worse- going backwards, on 3rd down. Championship teams should do that.

"Yeah, well you didn't, so you won't be champions." (Thanks for reminding me.)

Not sure why those things happened, but harken back to my mention of CNS' post game (MSU) comments of "the worse thing a team can do is play poorly and win."

Yep, lots of little things. And a boatload of luck for the stinking booger eaters. (I hate 'em more than ever, now.)

RTR.
 

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