This Alabama Team belongs in the 12 Team Playoff

[CoolBreeze]

Vegas has Texas favored -2.5 over UGA.

You have Bama favored -2.5 over UGA.

So Bama and Texas are equal, right?

Yet you have Texas -8.5 over Bama

If Bama were playing in the SEC championship game, we'd be 2.5 point favorites over Kirby (because we almost always beat them) and 8.5 point dogs to the froghorns because of perception. That is, they are perceived to be better because we lost to them last time and Sark is their coach. However, we would win either game though Kirby would make it more difficult than Sark.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I think what's going to hurt Bama is getting beat by three TD's in week 14 by a very bad OU team while also losing to Vanderbilt earlier in the year. If one of those losses doesn't occur we're in. But I'm just afraid the OU loss did us in.

 

[CoolBreeze]

I think what's going to hurt Bama is getting beat by three TD's in week 14 by a very bad OU team while also losing to Vanderbilt earlier in the year. If one of those losses doesn't occur we're in. But I'm just afraid the OU loss did us in.

OU had a bye week before us. They are a proud program given a difficult schedule to navigate their first year in the SEC (unlike the froghorns). They had the eye of the tiger that night and shut our running QB down. Vandy? First year yipps by our coaching staff not understanding that for every team that plays Bama its their biggest game of the year.

If we are not put in it is because of a misguided committee of pointy heads playing politics and giving little brother a shot. But they need to be careful because the SEC is the 500 pound gorilla in this sport. SEC and B1G games is where the money is and no one wants to watch TCU get demolished by Georgia. We want competitive games not watch Barney fumble for his bullet.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

I think what's going to hurt Bama is getting beat by three TD's in week 14 by a very bad OU team while also losing to Vanderbilt earlier in the year. If one of those losses doesn't occur we're in. But I'm just afraid the OU loss did us in.

Yeah I agree. If we're not in it's because that OU loss was just too ugly to look past

 

[Bamabuzzard]

OU had a bye week before us. They are a proud program given a difficult schedule to navigate their first year in the SEC (unlike the froghorns). They had the eye of the tiger that night and shut our running QB down. Vandy? First year yipps by our coaching staff not understanding that for every team that plays Bama its their biggest game of the year.

If we are not put in it is because of a misguided committee of pointy heads playing politics and giving little brother a shot. But they need to be careful because the SEC is the 500 pound gorilla in this sport. SEC and B1G games is where the money is and no one wants to watch TCU get demolished by Georgia. We want competitive games not watch Barney fumble for his bullet.

OU could have had a three-week bye and we still should have never lost that game. They were playing with their second and third-string players. You don't get beat by three td's in week 14 by a one-conference-win cellar dweller and expect to get the benefit of the doubt. That was and should be the nail in the coffin for us. If they let us in I'll be thrilled and will hope to win it all. But I wouldn't put us in after the OU loss coupled with the Vandy loss.

 

[BamaInBham]

I think what's going to hurt Bama is getting beat by three TD's in week 14 by a very bad OU team while also losing to Vanderbilt earlier in the year. If one of those losses doesn't occur we're in. But I'm just afraid the OU loss did us in.

But the CFPC did not see it that way putting Alabama #13, above OM and USCe, after the loss to OU. Clemson at 12 and Miami at 6 then lost this weekend, hopefully moving Alabama up 2 spots. The AP, which the CFP rankings have almost mirrored this year, moved Alabama to 11 and Miami to 14.

We’ll see in a few hours. I’ve read comments like the CFPC values the potential to beat good teams over losses to bad teams. FWIW - it was not an official stance just a comment.

 

[CoolBreeze]

OU could have had a three-week bye and we still should have never lost that game. They were playing with their second and third-string players. You don't get beat by three td's in week 14 by a one-conference-win cellar dweller and expect to get the benefit of the doubt. That was and should be the nail in the coffin for us. If they let us in I'll be thrilled and will hope to win it all. But I wouldn't put us in after the OU loss coupled with the Vandy loss.

I am not talking about benefit of the doubt. I am talking about the best teams for the most competitive tournament. It is plain to see that Alabama is, quite frankly, one of the best 12 teams in college football. Now I have some very snug fitting crimson colored glasses on but, even when I take them off, I can see Bama can beat any team in that playoff field on any given day. Cannot say that for most of them.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I am not talking about benefit of the doubt. I am talking about the best teams for the most competitive tournament. It is plain to see that Alabama is, quite frankly, one of the best 12 teams in college football. Now I have some very snug fitting, crimson colored glasses on but, even when I take them off, I can see Bama can beat any team in that playoff field on any given day. Cannot say that for most of them.

There are a multitude of criteria people can use to justify their stance. I'm not a committee member but if I were, consistency in how a team plays would go into it along with wins and losses. I have no idea which Alabama will show up. We could be the one that smoked LSU and beat UGA, or we could be the one that couldn't get out of our own way against UT, Vandy and OU. Again, if we hadn't lost to both Vandy and OU I would be on board. But losing to both of those teams, especially to OU by three touchdowns is borderline inexcusable.

 

[Jay Hughes]

There are a multitude of criteria people can use to justify their stance. I'm not a committee member but if I were, consistency in how a team plays would go into it along with wins and losses. I have no idea which Alabama will show up. We could be the one that smoked LSU and beat UGA, or we could be the one that couldn't get out of our own way against UT, Vandy and OU. Again, if we hadn't lost to both Vandy and OU I would be on board. But losing to both of those teams, especially to OU by three touchdowns is borderline inexcusable.

The thing that makes me optimistic is how Bama played the quality teams. I believe the competition will bring out the best in them. RTR!!!

 

[BhamToTexas]

I think the problem with some analysis here is that people are still comparing this team to what they expect an Alabama championship worthy resume to look like. That is 2 team or 4 team playoff old school thinking. This is now 12 teams. It looks different.

Yes, we have some awful losses. But that doesn't discredit us. We have also proven we can beat top/ranked teams. Texas, Penn State, SMU, Indiana, Boise State, Arizona State have not proven they can beat a ranked team. Why do some want to give them a pass?

 

[CoolBreeze]

There are a multitude of criteria people can use to justify their stance. I'm not a committee member but if I were, consistency in how a team plays would go into it along with wins and losses. I have no idea which Alabama will show up. We could be the one that smoked LSU and beat UGA, or we could be the one that couldn't get out of our own way against UT, Vandy and OU. Again, if we hadn't lost to both Vandy and OU I would be on board. But losing to both of those teams, especially to OU by three touchdowns is borderline inexcusable.

I agree with you. We can beat anyone in the league on any given day. It is the other 50% of the time you have to worry about. But still, state penn cannot beat any team in the competition. Neither can the domers, boise, azst, iowa st, miami, clempsum, smu or even puke for that matter. Bama most certainly can. We could even get hot and win all the playoff games. You cannot leave a team like that out of a tournament if you are serious about getting to a true national champion.

 

[spidermayin]

I think what's going to hurt Bama is getting beat by three TD's in week 14 by a very bad OU team while also losing to Vanderbilt earlier in the year. If one of those losses doesn't occur we're in. But I'm just afraid the OU loss did us in.

Yeah, that loss hurts us much more than the Vandy one simply because they were missing so many players and it was very recent. You can't say "Oh, we lost that one early in the season. We've improved so much since then". The fact we're having this conversation about Alabama still being in the talk is a miracle to me. If we were any other team losing against Vandy and Oklahoma, I think we would be sitting ranked closer to 18, or 19. I think the "Alabama mystique" has helped us a little this year.

 

[CrimsonTitles]

I think what's going to hurt Bama is getting beat by three TD's in week 14 by a very bad OU team while also losing to Vanderbilt earlier in the year. If one of those losses doesn't occur we're in. But I'm just afraid the OU loss did us in.

I just don't see the big deal about it. Both are bowl eligible teams, therefore they are decent teams. People act like we lost to Mississippi St and Kentucky.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

OU could have had a three-week bye and we still should have never lost that game. They were playing with their second and third-string players. You don't get beat by three td's in week 14 by a one-conference-win cellar dweller and expect to get the benefit of the doubt. That was and should be the nail in the coffin for us. If they let us in I'll be thrilled and will hope to win it all. But I wouldn't put us in after the OU loss coupled with the Vandy loss.

I think they will put Bama in for the ratings.

I have no idea how they will explain it because they can't say that.

But if they wanted to leave Bama out the OU game is THE only reason they need when there is also a Vandy loss on the season.

 

[TideEngineer08]

The thing that makes me optimistic is how Bama played the quality teams. I believe the competition will bring out the best in them. RTR!!!

This team did not adequately prepare for the mediocre teams on the schedule, and on the road, that was a killer.

There is a learning curve there that DeBoer must navigate if he's to be the long term answer.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

I think the problem with some analysis here is that people are still comparing this team to what they expect an Alabama championship worthy resume to look like. That is 2 team or 4 team playoff old school thinking. This is now 12 teams. It looks different.

Yes, we have some awful losses. But that doesn't discredit us. We have also proven we can beat top/ranked teams. Texas, Penn State, SMU, Indiana, Boise State, Arizona State have not proven they can beat a ranked team. Why do some want to give them a pass?

I don't think we have a Championship resume in a 16-20 team field much less 12

I don't think any 3 loss team has any business being included no matter the schedule.

The SOS argument for Bama holds no water for me because I don't see the Tenn loss as bad. That is a quality team no matter how bad I don't like them as rivals.

Vandy is not a 'Tough' opponent and OU this year is not a 'Tough' opponent

Lost to BOTH of them.

Losses THAT bad stains the entire analytical sheet of metrics.

 

[BhamToTexas]

I don't think we have a Championship resume in a 16-20 team field much less 12

I don't think any 3 loss team has any business being included no matter the schedule.

The SOS argument for Bama holds no water for me because I don't see the Tenn loss as bad. That is a quality team no matter how bad I don't like them as rivals.

Vandy is not a 'Tough' opponent and OU this year is not a 'Tough' opponent

Lost to BOTH of them.

Losses THAT bad stains the entire analytical sheet of metrics.

I posted all the data. You can certainly ignore it if you wish.

 

[crimsonaudio]

I don't think we have a Championship resume in a 16-20 team field much less 12

I don't think any 3 loss team has any business being included no matter the schedule.

The SOS argument for Bama holds no water for me because I don't see the Tenn loss as bad. That is a quality team no matter how bad I don't like them as rivals.

Vandy is not a 'Tough' opponent and OU this year is not a 'Tough' opponent

Lost to BOTH of them.

Losses THAT bad stains the entire analytical sheet of metrics.

It's insane to me that you believe there are 16-20 teams with better resumes than Bama.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

It's insane to me that you believe there are 16-20 teams with better resumes than Bama.

It's that I think 2 BAD losses trumps everything else.

For me it wipes out any good.

If they were 10-2 with just the Vandy and Tenn loss then sure use all the metrics you want and put them somewhere 5-8

But with a 3rd loss by 3 TD's to a .500 team

That's not a team that deserves to play for any kind of championship.

It doesn't matter what else they did.

If you want to be in Don't lose that game and don't lose it that badly.

The staff doesn't deserve it and the players don't deserve it.

But it does not matter one iota of a whit what I think because the committee will put them in anyway for the ratings.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Bama @ #11