Trinidad Chambliss sues NCAA
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Unless it is Alabama basketball.
In all fairness, the Bediako case is pretty different from Chambliss.
Dude was a pro for over two years and wants to play college ball again?
What’s next, LeBron James enrolling at Ohio State because he has 4 years of eligibility left?
This is a basketball conversation, but there are over 100 former pro basketball players in NCAA basketball. The only difference is they didn’t play 2 years of college ball first. So yes, by the argument most rival fans claim that playing college ball first is the difference, LeBron would be allowed to play .
They are deciding individual cases; not setting NCAA policy.
Though new policy may result
I will also say that if playing in the NBA/G League is a disqualification then professionally playing in Europe should be treated the same way.
Not sure why getting paid in euros is different.
the answer we seem to get is "because". that works for some idiots.
Ha - yeah, that doesn’t even work with 6 year olds anymore.
You are right, but the precedent they set is used by other courts. What’s next, a player played in only two games in 2024, but had a hangnail, so he should get a medical redshirt for That year after the fact?
I remember Bob Tyler getting a state court injunction in the 70s to allow a player (Larry Gillard) to remain eligible after being declared ineligbile by the NCAA. His sin? He got a clothing discount at a local retail store. The same discount that any State student would get.
Gillard played for two years under the injunction, but the case went before the MS Supreme Ct. State lost, and lost the appeal. Result: State had to forfeit all wins during that time period.
My question: What keeps the NCAA from taking the case higher? Not much, but I don't think they even care any more. I'm seeing where their lawyers left the courthouse even before the verdict was read by the judge. They were on their way to a hearing in TN for a QB who is seeking similar relief.
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Bob Tyler was Mississippi State’s head football coach from 1973-1978. He had a combined record of 39-25-3, but due to forfeits his adjusted record is 21-44-2.
The NCAA penalties stemmed from defensive lineman Larry Gillard who accepted a discount at a local clothing store. One problem: every student got the same discount.
The NCAA declared Gillard ineligible for the 1975 season but Coach Tyler decided to fight the ruling by filing suit with the Chancery Court, which gave him an injunction allowing Gillard to play. The Bulldogs went on to a 6-4-1 record that year including a win over LSU in Baton Rouge.
Gillard continued to play in 1976. For only the third time in the history of MSU football, the Bulldogs won 9 games; only losing to Florida and Alabama. Wins included Auburn, LSU and OM. State finished third in the SEC that year.
1977 was the same story – Gillard played. The Dawgs went 5-6 and won the Egg Bowl.
Gillard’s case was tried before the Mississippi Supreme Court which MSU did not win. The appeal was lost, and all games Gillard played in were forfeited by MSU.
Gillard played for two years under the injunction, but the case went before the MS Supreme Ct. State lost, and lost the appeal. Result: State had to forfeit all wins during that time period.
My question: What keeps the NCAA from taking the case higher? Not much, but I don't think they even care any more. I'm seeing where their lawyers left the courthouse even before the verdict was read by the judge. They were on their way to a hearing in TN for a QB who is seeking similar relief.
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Bob Tyler was Mississippi State’s head football coach from 1973-1978. He had a combined record of 39-25-3, but due to forfeits his adjusted record is 21-44-2.
The NCAA penalties stemmed from defensive lineman Larry Gillard who accepted a discount at a local clothing store. One problem: every student got the same discount.
The NCAA declared Gillard ineligible for the 1975 season but Coach Tyler decided to fight the ruling by filing suit with the Chancery Court, which gave him an injunction allowing Gillard to play. The Bulldogs went on to a 6-4-1 record that year including a win over LSU in Baton Rouge.
Gillard continued to play in 1976. For only the third time in the history of MSU football, the Bulldogs won 9 games; only losing to Florida and Alabama. Wins included Auburn, LSU and OM. State finished third in the SEC that year.
1977 was the same story – Gillard played. The Dawgs went 5-6 and won the Egg Bowl.
Gillard’s case was tried before the Mississippi Supreme Court which MSU did not win. The appeal was lost, and all games Gillard played in were forfeited by MSU.
Guarantee if it was a B1G school or Notre Dame, the NCAA would never have cared. Just unbelievble except it all actually happened. Coach was right for stepping up.I remember Bob Tyler getting a state court injunction in the 70s to allow a player (Larry Gillard) to remain eligible after being declared ineligbile by the NCAA. His sin? He got a clothing discount at a local retail store. The same discount that any State student would get.
Gillard played for two years under the injunction, but the case went before the MS Supreme Ct. State lost, and lost the appeal. Result: State had to forfeit all wins during that time period.
My question: What keeps the NCAA from taking the case higher? Not much, but I don't think they even care any more. I'm seeing where their lawyers left the courthouse even before the verdict was read by the judge. They were on their way to a hearing in TN for a QB who is seeking similar relief.
10 Biggest What Ifs in Mississippi State Sports History | FOX Sports
Here are the 10 biggest 'what ifs' in Mississippi State sports history.Things happen the way they happen, but what if something different happened? What would the domino effect be? How would things be different today?Mississippi State sports have featured a lot of moments during its ...
Bob Tyler was Mississippi State’s head football coach from 1973-1978. He had a combined record of 39-25-3, but due to forfeits his adjusted record is 21-44-2.
The NCAA penalties stemmed from defensive lineman Larry Gillard who accepted a discount at a local clothing store. One problem: every student got the same discount.
The NCAA declared Gillard ineligible for the 1975 season but Coach Tyler decided to fight the ruling by filing suit with the Chancery Court, which gave him an injunction allowing Gillard to play. The Bulldogs went on to a 6-4-1 record that year including a win over LSU in Baton Rouge.
Gillard continued to play in 1976. For only the third time in the history of MSU football, the Bulldogs won 9 games; only losing to Florida and Alabama. Wins included Auburn, LSU and OM. State finished third in the SEC that year.
1977 was the same story – Gillard played. The Dawgs went 5-6 and won the Egg Bowl.
Gillard’s case was tried before the Mississippi Supreme Court which MSU did not win. The appeal was lost, and all games Gillard played in were forfeited by MSU.
I'd extend the hypothetical further. Any minor league sport activity should DQ you from college athletic eligibility. It is another pathway to the pros, but you can't be bouncing between the pathways.
Don't shoot the messenger, but this is the excuse I constantly see the lunatics on Reddit using.
They say it is okay for euro pros because "they do not have the same collegiate sports opportunities after completing high school in Europe; therefore, they "have" to go into these pro leagues to continue playing, and since there are fewer options, it should not count against them."
That is the stupid reasoning I keep reading every day.
The poor old Europeans don't have CFB, so they are forced to play for money. Funny how this was not an issue until suddenly you could make more money playing CFB in America. Now they all want to come over here and think their pro career shouldn't count because "poor us, we don't have CFB over here".
And for some screwed-up reason, the NCAA agreed with them. Now they are allowed to come over here and steal a spot from an American high schooler. So, the NCAA was not very concerned with preserving the opportunities of high schoolers until Bediako tried to play. Then suddenly, he was a monster for stealing a spot.
Can't have it both ways, NCAA. It can't be bad for an American pro to steal a spot from high school players, but perfectly fine for Eruo pros to steal a spot. It needs to be the same no matter which side of the ocean you are coming from.
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Now THAT was a an incredibly BAD lawyer!!!I remember Bob Tyler getting a state court injunction in the 70s to allow a player (Larry Gillard) to remain eligible after being declared ineligbile by the NCAA. His sin? He got a clothing discount at a local retail store. The same discount that any State student would get.
Gillard played for two years under the injunction, but the case went before the MS Supreme Ct. State lost, and lost the appeal. Result: State had to forfeit all wins during that time period.
My question: What keeps the NCAA from taking the case higher? Not much, but I don't think they even care any more. I'm seeing where their lawyers left the courthouse even before the verdict was read by the judge. They were on their way to a hearing in TN for a QB who is seeking similar relief.
10 Biggest What Ifs in Mississippi State Sports History | FOX Sports
Here are the 10 biggest 'what ifs' in Mississippi State sports history.Things happen the way they happen, but what if something different happened? What would the domino effect be? How would things be different today?Mississippi State sports have featured a lot of moments during its ...
Bob Tyler was Mississippi State’s head football coach from 1973-1978. He had a combined record of 39-25-3, but due to forfeits his adjusted record is 21-44-2.
The NCAA penalties stemmed from defensive lineman Larry Gillard who accepted a discount at a local clothing store. One problem: every student got the same discount.
The NCAA declared Gillard ineligible for the 1975 season but Coach Tyler decided to fight the ruling by filing suit with the Chancery Court, which gave him an injunction allowing Gillard to play. The Bulldogs went on to a 6-4-1 record that year including a win over LSU in Baton Rouge.
Gillard continued to play in 1976. For only the third time in the history of MSU football, the Bulldogs won 9 games; only losing to Florida and Alabama. Wins included Auburn, LSU and OM. State finished third in the SEC that year.
1977 was the same story – Gillard played. The Dawgs went 5-6 and won the Egg Bowl.
Gillard’s case was tried before the Mississippi Supreme Court which MSU did not win. The appeal was lost, and all games Gillard played in were forfeited by MSU.
It was the 70’s. I remember the NCAA reprimanded a school because a GA gave a player a ride across campus on a golf cart. Their reasoning is that he received a benefit not offered to other students. Yet when a player received a benefit offered to all students they still punish. NCAA’s absurd inconsistency is nothing new, it’s just being compounded by NIL & portal and magnified by thousands of pseudo media types posting on social networks.Now THAT was a an incredibly BAD lawyer!!!
I remember the ncaa reprimanded Oklahoma once for giving a player "extra" spaghetti. Team had a spaghetti dinner and he got a second or a third helping and no one else did.
They've gone from "the group that cannot lose in court" to the "the group that cannot win in court" faster than anyone I know.
And it couldn't happen to a more deserving group of scumbags to be honest with you. Their selective enforcement of the rules has always been an issue and Jerry Tarkanian's observation that the NCAA is so mad at Kentucky that they put Cleveland State on two more years' probation was always more accurate than folks thought.
I first heard about this case over 25 years ago from an MSU grad (he and his wife both) who attended school there at that time. This was around the time that both us and Ole Miss had been having trouble with the NZAA, and - you have to remember this is before looking stuff up on the net was so easy - he said that MSU got a two-year probation for "a clothing discount." He said it was one of the most insane things he'd ever seen in his life, it wasn't like MSU was paying a quarterback the $200K he asked for to come there and winning a national championship
As even he noted, "OK, you can say that insane thing is against the rules, but how about a little perspective in the punitive aspect of it?"
Here's a Lewis Grizzard column from 1985 over how insane it all really is:
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