the brazenness of this would make dick cheney blush
Trump Attacks Iran, II
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Sky News is really giving it to Trump for moving his ultimatum time. Basically calling it TACO
A lot of tough talk from a country sitting on the sidelines right now.
All these Middle Eastern countries "supporting" this war need to put their money where their mouth is and start attacking Iran as well. In fact, they should be more involved than the US. This is their region, this is their home turf. Wake up and defend it for a change instead of always expecting someone else to do your dirty work.
Prove to me you really are willing to fight one of your own.
A lot of tough talk from a country sitting on the sidelines right now.
All these Middle Eastern countries "supporting" this war need to put their money where their mouth is and start attacking Iran as well. In fact, they should be more involved than the US. This is their region, this is their home turf. Wake up and defend it for a change instead of always expecting someone else to do your dirty work.
Prove to me you really are willing to fight one of your own.
Notice the only Arab country to take Iran to task was Iraq under Saddam. Too bad that faulty story about WMDs existed or else we might have had someone with some kind of guts to fight them. Who was the idiot who convinced Bush about WMDs in Iraq again… oh yeah the same idiot that convinced Trump that Iran was weeks away from developing a nuclear weapon.
According to my sources on Social Media bio's this is not true. English is now 85% gender based...
I was in college taking an upper level history class. The professor, Dr. Nelson (UNA), whose son was the mascot for the Titans, only gave one test or two tests for the entire class. He gave the class the option at the beginning of the semester. He would put topics up on the board, eight to ten or so, and we were to write essays on the four to five subjects we chose. For example he might have '1948 Presidential Election' as a topic. Ironically, that was an actual example of one of his topics and I knew an exceptional amount about the topic. Quickly into the essay I realized I could not remember Thomas E. Dewey's name and so i wrote, "Presidential nominee (I can't remember his name so for the remainder of the essay I will refer to him as Mr. Mickey Mouse).Actually, we shortcut pronouns in English also, just not to the extent that you indicate with Japanese. Speaking with a familiar, I'm as likely to answer "Don't know," as I am with "I don't know." Fortunately, German has most of the identical shortcuts. Many idioms are direct translations of English. I do remember that the code-breakers of JN-25 were intimately familiar with Japanese, as well as being skilled in decryption. IDK if they were Japanese-American or not. I was probably 10 years old before I heard them referred to other than "Japs," which is now (and then) a pejorative...
In another topic I wrote about Pearl Harbor and wrote 5-6 pages on the topic. I was at Movie Gallery that night with my girlfriend and we were discussing the test. I told her I thought I did well, especially on my essay about Pearl Harbor. I told her what I had wrote and realized quickly that 'Japs' was not an appropriate abbreviation for the Japanese that I had used throughout the essay. Being part Asian maybe I get a pass but probably not. Chalk that one under young and dumb...
I just returned from Europe and had some discussoins with NATO military guys (not flag officers or senior diplomats, but more junior guys.)
Their attitude was (a) polite (as in, nobody poked me in the chest and said, "Whjat the heck are you Americans doing?") and (b) resigned/almost apologetic. The general attitude was, "Maybe Trump should have talked to us before heading down this path, but, not having done that, please do not turn to us now and demand help opening the Straits of Hormuz. These are the kinds of things allies discuss behind closed doors before kicking off."
Their attitude was (a) polite (as in, nobody poked me in the chest and said, "Whjat the heck are you Americans doing?") and (b) resigned/almost apologetic. The general attitude was, "Maybe Trump should have talked to us before heading down this path, but, not having done that, please do not turn to us now and demand help opening the Straits of Hormuz. These are the kinds of things allies discuss behind closed doors before kicking off."
By any chance, did Trump's obvious contempt for NATO come up at all? I've been curious about what those guys over there think of this.
I think they get enough of that from their national media. It is a fairly constant drumbeat, reinforced from time to time by quotes from Trump calling NATO allies "cowards" when they declined to jump into the Straits of Hormuz mess.
Truth be told, Europe gets more through the Straits of Hormuz than the US does, so Europe can ignore this mess, but they will suffer more than the US will, but still, if you are going to jeopardize someone else's well-being, it's best probably best to talk with them beforehand.
Problem is they're scared to death of Iran and they definitely don't consider Iran to be "one of their own"...
A lot of tough talk from a country sitting on the sidelines right now.
All these Middle Eastern countries "supporting" this war need to put their money where their mouth is and start attacking Iran as well. In fact, they should be more involved than the US. This is their region, this is their home turf. Wake up and defend it for a change instead of always expecting someone else to do your dirty work.
Prove to me you really are willing to fight one of your own.
People don’t understand that the Middle East probably has more racial issues as they do religious ones if not more.
I still can’t believe some of the chatter coming out of Israel about their hatred towards the Turks.
I'd guess when they laugh at you when you warn them about things that can / will happen it kinda reduces your desire to continue talking to them.
Whether true or not, "W" was convinced that Saddam had tried to assassinate his father. He actually said it once. I think that had far more to do with it than the WMDs...
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A surge of additional U.S. forces to the Middle East and President Donald Trump’s threat to “obliterate” Iran’s energy infrastructure have set the stage for what U.S. and Israeli security officials increasingly see as the war’s possible endgame: a battle for control of the Strait of Hormuz and key energy installations.
Reopening the strait — a critical conduit for global energy supplies — has emerged as perhaps the paramount objective of a war that security officials now believe is unlikely to achieve goals that briefly seemed possible at the outset of the U.S.-Israeli military operation, including overthrowing Iran’s theocratic regime and putting a nuclear weapon permanently out of Tehran’s reach.
Instead, breaking Iran’s stranglehold on the strait could enable Trump to wind down the war while claiming victory, halt an expanding global energy crisis and deprive Iran of a potent deterrent against future strikes — which senior Israeli officials described as inevitable if Tehran resumes ballistic missile production or moves to develop a nuclear weapon.
In Israel, Trump’s online threats have raised expectations that a new phase of the war could soon get underway with the arrival of additional U.S. firepower. In a sign of rising global anxiety over the political and economic instability, stock markets in Asia fell sharply on Monday, with Japan’s Nikkei closing down 3.5 percent and the Korea Composite Stock Price Index finishing 6.5 percent lower.
A contingent of 4,500 U.S. sailors and Marines is heading to the Middle East, including an infantry battalion landing team backed by helicopters, F-35 fighter jets and armored landing vehicles. The Pentagon also sped up the deployment of a similar unit, the 11th Marine Expeditionary Unit, from San Diego, defense officials said last week.
“Those Marines aren’t coming for decoration,” said an Israeli official, one of several who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive military and intelligence issues.
Trump threats, U.S. troop build-up raise specter of battle for Hormuz
Israelis said securing the strait for energy shipments could become the war’s main goal now that regime change and ending Iran’s ability to obtain a nuclear weapon seem out of reach.A surge of additional U.S. forces to the Middle East and President Donald Trump’s threat to “obliterate” Iran’s energy infrastructure have set the stage for what U.S. and Israeli security officials increasingly see as the war’s possible endgame: a battle for control of the Strait of Hormuz and key energy installations.
Reopening the strait — a critical conduit for global energy supplies — has emerged as perhaps the paramount objective of a war that security officials now believe is unlikely to achieve goals that briefly seemed possible at the outset of the U.S.-Israeli military operation, including overthrowing Iran’s theocratic regime and putting a nuclear weapon permanently out of Tehran’s reach.
Instead, breaking Iran’s stranglehold on the strait could enable Trump to wind down the war while claiming victory, halt an expanding global energy crisis and deprive Iran of a potent deterrent against future strikes — which senior Israeli officials described as inevitable if Tehran resumes ballistic missile production or moves to develop a nuclear weapon.
In Israel, Trump’s online threats have raised expectations that a new phase of the war could soon get underway with the arrival of additional U.S. firepower. In a sign of rising global anxiety over the political and economic instability, stock markets in Asia fell sharply on Monday, with Japan’s Nikkei closing down 3.5 percent and the Korea Composite Stock Price Index finishing 6.5 percent lower.
A contingent of 4,500 U.S. sailors and Marines is heading to the Middle East, including an infantry battalion landing team backed by helicopters, F-35 fighter jets and armored landing vehicles. The Pentagon also sped up the deployment of a similar unit, the 11th Marine Expeditionary Unit, from San Diego, defense officials said last week.
“Those Marines aren’t coming for decoration,” said an Israeli official, one of several who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive military and intelligence issues.
Again to what end? We take and then what? Are we going to stay there indefinitely? Seems like all you are doing is making easy targets for the Iranians.
The problem is that taking it and holding it are two different things. Realistically it’s not achievable unless the Iranians surrender or agree to suspend military operations. Because all they are going to do is attempt to retake it or bomb it from different areas.
A lot of tough talk from a country sitting on the sidelines right now.
All these Middle Eastern countries "supporting" this war need to put their money where their mouth is and start attacking Iran as well. In fact, they should be more involved than the US. This is their region, this is their home turf. Wake up and defend it for a change instead of always expecting someone else to do your dirty work.
Prove to me you really are willing to fight one of your own.
The problem is that they know they would get skunked by Iran because they all have gotten fat and lazy with the American handouts and privileges. The only country there that could spank Iran is Turkey, but with Israel’s most likely next prime minister shooting off his mouth about how Turkey is the next threat that Israel must deal with it becomes increasingly unlikely Turkey will do anything about the current situation unless directly attacked by Iran. The rich Arab nations are far too lazy and scared to fight back. There is a reason that Iran is not attacking Turkish interests when the US has bases there that have critical components to the nuclear weapon program.
Israel has been exposed as a bully that is ran by religious fanatics. Any justification for any war by the Israelis seems more like the pot calling the kettle black.
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