Key words: "Post-ceasefire"
In a tactful way, they are still telling Trump to go pound sand.
Essentially, you broke it, you fix it, and then we will come help.
Trump Attacks Iran, III
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Key words: "Post-ceasefire"
In a tactful way, they are still telling Trump to go pound sand.
Essentially, you broke it, you fix it, and then we will come help.
So Barron Trump and the other members of the Lucky Sperm club fall where in that list?
Hormuz is critical to the world oil market, thus important to us also...
I get it., but it's literally critical to the EU.
The US is far more independant of the market, especially with Venezuela on tap.
and we royally screwed them over with this idiocy and are now acting like they owe us something
Look at fuel prices in the EU - they’ve spiked worse than ours. I didn’t say the US is independent of the oil market, just less dependent than the EU. They cannot survive a prolonged closure of the SoH.
US crude oil exports are skyrocketing:
US Gulf Coast crude exports are on track to average a record 4.90 million barrels a day in April based on current loadings.
That would be up +23%, or +930,000 barrels per day since March, and up +30%, or +1.12 million barrels per day since February.
At the current pace, May exports will exceed 5.0 million barrels a day for the first time in history.
This comes as Asian buyers are securing US cargoes to offset the loss of Middle Eastern supply while flows from the Strait of Hormuz remain significantly limited.
For May alone, 28 supertankers are already lined up to carry US crude, compared to 5 typically booked at this point in a month.
Global demand for American oil has never been higher.
This is my bud in the UK’s fill up a week ago.
Well, he can be an all-American kid and volunteer to go to war then.
At least Dan Quayle got a few medals for marksmanship at Kent State.,
I remember the poster from the 1960s that had a photo of LBJ with the caption: "War Is Good Busines. Invest Your Son."
I remember a msg board flamer way back when, had to be around the time 43 was running for President, posting, "I felt so safe during Vietnam when George Bush was flying sorties over my house."
The problem I've always seen with the ending of the peacetime draft is that it's much easier for politicians to get us into wars if most Americans don't even have skin in the game. Meaning, an all-volunteer military is made up of a fraction of the US, and they signed up for the duty.
I always found it odd during the Iraq war - all these gungho college Republicans cheering on the war wihile having other priorities when it came time for them to go fight.
I may sound like a hypocrite here, I will admit. I missed the peacetime draft registration by about a week. Carter had reinstituted it in 1980, but only for those born in 1960 or above. I was born at the end of December 1959, so I didn't have to register.
But this was during the Iran hostage crisis, and I was in college at the time. I do remember at the time wanting to go enlist if we went to war with Iran. I think everyone was angry at the mullahs at the time.
Getting back to my point about soundng hypocritical...as I look back, the country really didn't have any wars during the time I probably would have been available. I turned 18 after Nam ended, and the country really didn't have any military skirmishes until Grenada in 1983, and that lasted about a minute. Ditto for Bush 41s invasion of Panama in 1989. By the time Desert Storm came around, I was 30 years old, and I'm not sure what the Army would have done with me.
Yeah, I’m on the fence about mandatory military service as it exists in some other countries, but I think it would probably help some of the population better understand these wars that ‘don’t affect us’ here at home…
Im in favor of it mainly for the values and intangibles it instills in our young people.
I will say this about W, he most like got preferential treatment to get into the reserve and for service while there but at least he didn't go full fraud and claim bone spurs.I remember a msg board flamer way back when, had to be around the time 43 was running for President, posting, "I felt so safe during Vietnam when George Bush was flying sorties over my house."
The New York Times reported on April 10, citing US officials, that Iran has been unable to fully reopen the Strait of Hormuz because it cannot locate all of the naval mines it laid in the waterway and lacks the capability to remove them. The IRGC used small boats to plant mines haphazardly during the early weeks of the war. Many locations were never recorded. Some mines have drifted from their original positions. Iran does not have a complete map of what it put in its own water.
When Foreign Minister Araghchi said on April 8 that safe passage through Hormuz would be possible “with due consideration of technical limitations,” US officials now confirm he was not being diplomatic. He was being literal. The technical limitation is that Iran mined its own strait and lost track of where the mines are.
Iran published a chart on April 9 through Tasnim and ISNA showing a large circle marked “danger zone” covering the standard shipping lanes, with two alternative IRGC-controlled routes around Larak Island. This is the chart of a country directing traffic around its own weapons because it cannot guarantee the weapons will not detonate under the traffic it is trying to collect tolls from. The toll system, the IRGC coordination, the escort protocol, the VHF passcode, all the infrastructure built to monetize the chokepoint exists because Iran cannot simply reopen the chokepoint. The tollbooth is not leverage. The tollbooth is a workaround for a self-inflicted minefield.
Richard Meade, editor-in-chief of Lloyd’s List, described the situation during an April 10 webinar: “As of this morning, the Strait of Hormuz remains both open and closed, depending on your position, both geographically and geopolitically. It is, if you like, Schrödinger’s Strait.”
Traffic on April 10 stood at 7 to 18 ships per day, with only 2 to 4 tankers, against a pre-war baseline of roughly 140 daily. Over 1,000 vessels are queued outside the strait, including 187 tankers carrying an estimated 172 million barrels of stalled crude. The backlog alone would take weeks to clear even if every mine vanished overnight.
And the capacity to clear mines does not exist on either side. The US Navy decommissioned its last dedicated Avenger-class minesweepers before the war. It now relies on Littoral Combat Ship mine countermeasures modules that have never been tested at this scale. The Royal Navy withdrew its last mine countermeasures vessel, HMS Middleton, from the Gulf in early 2026 and transported it home on a heavy-lift ship because it could not make the voyage under its own power. The West dismantled its mine-clearing capability months before the war that required it.
Trump demanded “complete, immediate, and safe opening” of the strait as the ceasefire condition. Vance is flying to Islamabad to negotiate terms that require a physical outcome neither side can deliver. Iran cannot find the mines. The US cannot sweep them. The UK sent its last minesweeper home on a cargo ship. And the ceasefire that was supposed to reopen 20 percent of the world’s oil supply is hostage to weapons that are drifting silently through a strait that nobody fully controls.
The most honest phrase in the entire ceasefire was “technical limitations.” It just took the New York Times to decode what it meant. The mines are still there. The talks start tomorrow. And 20 percent of the world’s oil is waiting on a map that does not exist.
When Foreign Minister Araghchi said on April 8 that safe passage through Hormuz would be possible “with due consideration of technical limitations,” US officials now confirm he was not being diplomatic. He was being literal. The technical limitation is that Iran mined its own strait and lost track of where the mines are.
Iran published a chart on April 9 through Tasnim and ISNA showing a large circle marked “danger zone” covering the standard shipping lanes, with two alternative IRGC-controlled routes around Larak Island. This is the chart of a country directing traffic around its own weapons because it cannot guarantee the weapons will not detonate under the traffic it is trying to collect tolls from. The toll system, the IRGC coordination, the escort protocol, the VHF passcode, all the infrastructure built to monetize the chokepoint exists because Iran cannot simply reopen the chokepoint. The tollbooth is not leverage. The tollbooth is a workaround for a self-inflicted minefield.
Richard Meade, editor-in-chief of Lloyd’s List, described the situation during an April 10 webinar: “As of this morning, the Strait of Hormuz remains both open and closed, depending on your position, both geographically and geopolitically. It is, if you like, Schrödinger’s Strait.”
Traffic on April 10 stood at 7 to 18 ships per day, with only 2 to 4 tankers, against a pre-war baseline of roughly 140 daily. Over 1,000 vessels are queued outside the strait, including 187 tankers carrying an estimated 172 million barrels of stalled crude. The backlog alone would take weeks to clear even if every mine vanished overnight.
And the capacity to clear mines does not exist on either side. The US Navy decommissioned its last dedicated Avenger-class minesweepers before the war. It now relies on Littoral Combat Ship mine countermeasures modules that have never been tested at this scale. The Royal Navy withdrew its last mine countermeasures vessel, HMS Middleton, from the Gulf in early 2026 and transported it home on a heavy-lift ship because it could not make the voyage under its own power. The West dismantled its mine-clearing capability months before the war that required it.
Trump demanded “complete, immediate, and safe opening” of the strait as the ceasefire condition. Vance is flying to Islamabad to negotiate terms that require a physical outcome neither side can deliver. Iran cannot find the mines. The US cannot sweep them. The UK sent its last minesweeper home on a cargo ship. And the ceasefire that was supposed to reopen 20 percent of the world’s oil supply is hostage to weapons that are drifting silently through a strait that nobody fully controls.
The most honest phrase in the entire ceasefire was “technical limitations.” It just took the New York Times to decode what it meant. The mines are still there. The talks start tomorrow. And 20 percent of the world’s oil is waiting on a map that does not exist.
Unfortunately, that is all too common with all mines.
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