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Trump Attacks Iran, III

Its On A Slab said:
And many of the same people beating their chests with bravado over this attack are the same ones who fretted that "Putin has nukes !" as a reason not to send arms to Ukraine.

If they were worried about Russian nukes over a proxy war, why aren't they worried about a direct attack on a close ally of Putin(Iran)?
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One involves helping people directly attacking Russians, the other a Russian ally.

Not too hard to see the difference.
 
arthurdawg said:
Lincoln had great empathy for his fellow humans. The war aged him greatly and he felt the suffering on both sides and had many regrets.

I would wager that Trump is a complete sociopath, no empathy and no conscience. I'll grant that is a leap given I've never met the man, but his actions indicate profound deficits. And we seem to have an epidemic of such in our nation.
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Empathy is lost on many of our younger adults (18-40) and diminishing even further with our youth today. Social media has not helped in this category at all.
 
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CrimsonJazz said:
Only an utter sociopath would want this job in the first place. The lone exception I can think of would be Biden and that’s only because he seemingly had no idea what was really happening. Trump, Obama, Bush and Clinton were all demonstrable sociopaths.
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Clinton has always been about stacking his money and increasing his status and power. The stories I have heard about him flying in plane loads of narcotics in Arkansas when he was governor are very believable and checks off to the statement above. Unfortunate that our political system is and has been in a place that rewards these type of degenerates instead of weeding them out and punishing them like the rest of us would be.
 
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arthurdawg said:
His writings and those who wrote about him during the war are clear on this point.
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Recently watched a perspective on Grant and Lee at Appomattox. The tragedy of the war had deeply affected both men. Grant put out a general order to prevent victory demonstrations by Union troops that would demean the beaten Confederate Troops. He issued rations to starving troops and came under intense criticism for allowing Confederate soldiers to keep their horses and mules. It seems clear to me that Union leadership from Lincoln down were deeply affected by the war and were focused on healing. Of course we know that history suddenly changed all of that.
 
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UAH said:
We could begin to discuss what is possible to accomplish economically and socially within a former military and economic super power that has literally mortgaged its entire future and can no longer even pay the interest on its debt. To say it is a complex problem is a vast understatement. One thing for certain is that we have to stop burning down the house from the inside!
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We have to start with politicians using our political system to fill their own pockets. Self-interest has decimated our country. Politicians should be thoroughly audited randomly and often. When the people making the major decisions start doing what is best for us and our country again many of the issues will take care of themself.
 
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UAH said:
Recently watched a perspective on Grant and Lee at Appomattox. The tragedy of the war had deeply affected both men. Grant put out a general order to prevent victory demonstrations by Union troops that would demean the beaten Confederate Troops. He issued rations to starving troops and came under intense criticism for allowing Confederate soldiers to keep their horses and mules. It seems clear to me that Union leadership from Lincoln down were deeply affected by the war and were focused on healing. Of course we know that history suddenly changed all of that.
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Grant was also very interesting... And hated what he felt duty required in the war. The biographies by Ron Chernow and Jean Edward Smith are really amazing reads if interested.

JES also wrote phenomenal bios on FDR and Eisenhower as well.

And Chernow is a bio powerhouse... Washington: A Life is is best.
 
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It is not the purpose of the thread to turn into a bash Lincoln thread, but I could post some quotes by Lincoln in 1858 (two years before he was elected president) that would bring into question his empathy.

In praise of Lincoln I will say he was a great orator and propagandist. He could motivate people to do what he wanted them to do.
Also, (relevant to this thread), early in the war, he tried to micromanage the army and it was a disaster. Later, he learned the president's proper role: set political objectives, establish priorities, marshal resources, and let Grant do his job.
 
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UAH said:
Recently watched a perspective on Grant and Lee at Appomattox. The tragedy of the war had deeply affected both men. Grant put out a general order to prevent victory demonstrations by Union troops that would demean the beaten Confederate Troops. He issued rations to starving troops and came under intense criticism for allowing Confederate soldiers to keep their horses and mules. It seems clear to me that Union leadership from Lincoln down were deeply affected by the war and were focused on healing. Of course we know that history suddenly changed all of that.
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Safe to say Grant and Sherman were completely two different men.
 
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