Trump Attacks Iran, IV

[75thru79]

I am of the opinion that, as neighborhoods are built in what was once rural farmland/unused land, that the builders should shoulder some of the costs for the increased traffic that comes with more houses being built.

Making builders pay for it will just make the houses more expensive because they have to pass that cost on to the purchaser. There's no magic pot of money lying around. Considering the housing shortage that has caused home prices to go through the roof the last thing we need to do is put more regulations in place that limit the supply of new homes.

 

[Its On A Slab]

Making builders pay for it will just make the houses more expensive because they have to pass that cost on to the purchaser. There's no magic pot of money lying around. Considering the housing shortage that has caused home prices to go through the roof the last thing we need to do is put more regulations in place that limit the supply of new homes.

I understand your point. I just think builders should carry some of the load - since they are the benefactors of the increase in family dwellings in these areas.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Making builders pay for it will just make the houses more expensive because they have to pass that cost on to the purchaser. There's no magic pot of money lying around. Considering the housing shortage that has caused home prices to go through the roof the last thing we need to do is put more regulations in place that limit the supply of new homes.

Not sure how this is a negative. While public roads are generally funded by the taxpayer as they're open to all, many of these modern mega-neighborhoods have access roads that are basically only used by the residents of said neighborhood.

If the builder hires out the paving it will likely be less expensive than filtering it through multiple stages of government. The roads are happening regardless, and as you said - there's no magic pot of money lying around...

 

[Tidewater]

U.S. Bishops’ Chairman on Doctrine Issues Clarification on Just War Theory

“When Pope Leo XIV speaks as supreme pastor of the universal Church, he is not merely offering opinions on theology, he is preaching the Gospel and exercis...

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“For over a thousand years, the Catholic Church has taught just war theory and it is that long tradition the Holy Father carefully references in his comments on war. A constant tenet of that thousand-year tradition is a nation can only legitimately take up the sword ‘in self-defense, once all peace efforts have failed’ (Catechism of the Catholic Church, no. 2308). That is, to be a just war it must be a defense against another who actively wages war, which is what the Holy Father actually said: ‘He does not listen to the prayers of those who wage war.’

“When Pope Leo XIV speaks as supreme pastor of the universal Church, he is not merely offering opinions on theology, he is preaching the Gospel and exercising his ministry as the Vicar of Christ. The consistent teaching of the Church is insistent that all people of good will must pray and work toward lasting peace while avoiding the evils and injustices that accompany all wars.”

I have no problem with this statement/clarification. Saint Thomas Aquinas (Summa Theologica) believed war:

• Should be waged only by a state, the highest political authority, not an individual.
• "A just war is wont to be described as one that avenges wrongs, when a nation or state has to be punished, for refusing to make amends for the wrongs inflicted by its subjects, or to restore what it has seized unjustly."
• Should intend the advancement of good, or the avoidance of evil.

As a general rule, war should be avoided. It should be a last resort. When an embassy-seizing, terrorist sponsor like Iran says, "We will continue to develop a nuclear weapons and once we have one and missiles that can range Europe, we will intimidate the Europeans into doing what we want" (which frankly is not too difficult since their "leaders" are mostly sheep), it is open for discussion whether Saint Thomas' conditions have been met.

Obviously the Holy Father fells the US has not met the right conditions, but being a head of state of a very small state not particularly at risk, his judgement on the matter should be taken advisably. He should (in his capacity as the Vicar of Christ) advise as pacific a policy as possible, but ultimately, since any risk has been and will be borne by Americans, his judgment carries only so much weight. He is welcome to weigh in and get the Iranian leadership to foreswear nuclear weapons development, but failing that, his judgments on such secular matters only carriers so much weight.

 

[92tide]

I have no problem with this statement/clarification. Saint Thomas Aquinas (Summa Theologica) believed war:

• Should be waged only by a state, the highest political authority, not an individual.
• "A just war is wont to be described as one that avenges wrongs, when a nation or state has to be punished, for refusing to make amends for the wrongs inflicted by its subjects, or to restore what it has seized unjustly."
• Should intend the advancement of good, or the avoidance of evil.

As a general rule, war should be avoided. It should be a last resort. When an embassy-seizing, terrorist sponsor like Iran says, "We will continue to develop a nuclear weapons and once we have one and missiles that can range Europe, we will intimidate the Europeans into doing what we want" (which frankly is not too difficult since their "leaders" are mostly sheep), it is open for discussion whether Saint Thomas' conditions have been met.

Obviously the Holy Father fells the US has not met the right conditions, but being a head of state of a very small state not particularly at risk, his judgement on the matter should be taken advisably. He should (in his capacity as the Vicar of Christ) advise as pacific a policy as possible, but ultimately, since any risk has been and will be borne by Americans, his judgment carries only so much weight. He is welcome to weigh in and get the Iranian leadership to foreswear nuclear weapons development, but failing that, his judgments on such secular matters only carriers so much weight.

i was raised southern baptist so i generally don't spend a lot of time worrying what the pope says/thinks about anything.

i will say that the sometimes explicit framing of this war or whatever we're calling it today as a holy war by the secdef and others sort of opens the door to the big padre

and now for something completely different

 

[JDCrimson]

These bozos keep writing checks with their mouth that they cant cash...

 

[92tide]

These bozos keep writing checks with their mouth that they cant cash...

sadly, we're covering the checks

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Not sure how this is a negative. While public roads are generally funded by the taxpayer as they're open to all, many of these modern mega-neighborhoods have access roads that are basically only used by the residents of said neighborhood.

If the builder hires out the paving it will likely be less expensive than filtering it through multiple stages of government. The roads are happening regardless, and as you said - there's no magic pot of money lying around...

Not around here. The city council broke all its own slope regulations to allow a subdivision halfway up Monte Sano, to use first an existing subdivision (they're up in arms) and then already over-crowded two lane Bankhead Parkway for the final exit. It would be nice if the world were like you imagine. So far, the city has had to issue one flooding stop work order, after the existing subdivision was flooded...

 

[arthurdawg]

Not around here. The city council broke all its own slope regulations to allow a subdivision halfway up Monte Sano, to use first an existing subdivision (they're up in arms) and then already over-crowded two lane Bankhead Parkway for the final exit. It would be nice if the world were like you imagine. So far, the city has had to issue one flooding stop work order, after the existing subdivision was flooded...

Yes... That subdivision runs along the Bankhead trail for the first part. One of my favorites to bike up to Monte Sano. It is an eye sore for sure! And politics seems to have played a major role...

 

[92tide]

we have decimated their defense and military capabilities, or something

https://www.cnn.com/2026/05/21/politics/iran-military-rebuild?utm_campaign=dfn-ebb&utm_medium=email&utm_source=sailthru

Iran rebuilding military industrial base faster than expected, already producing drones, according to US intel​

 

[crimsonaudio]

Not around here. The city council broke all its own slope regulations to allow a subdivision halfway up Monte Sano, to use first an existing subdivision (they're up in arms) and then already over-crowded two lane Bankhead Parkway for the final exit. It would be nice if the world were like you imagine. So far, the city has had to issue one flooding stop work order, after the existing subdivision was flooded...

Sounds like it doesn't matter who paid for what if the city council was willing to break its own regulations...

 

[Bazza]

 

[mdb-tpet]

We purchased a couple of houses in Madison as investment properties near the downtown area 15 years ago and for a number of reasons ending up living in one of them. In the intervening years traffic has risen probably five fold . There is literally only two routes away from the large subdivisions to I-565 and essentially two east-west routes to connect them. The US 72 parking lot is to be avoided at all cost. It could be just me but the Clifts Farm development is something out of a dystopian novel.

I used to think that developers should share the burden of paying for new roads, but now I believe anything more than 3 houses should be required to plan well for all reasonable modes of transportation that are not only functional, but desirable. Such as nice walking paths, safe and connected bike paths, usable bus routes, and lastly car infrastructure (as it’s the least sustainable long term). No more build it and sort out the mess later projects.

 

[Bamaro]

we have decimated their defense and military capabilities, or something

https://www.cnn.com/2026/05/21/politics/iran-military-rebuild?utm_campaign=dfn-ebb&utm_medium=email&utm_source=sailthru

Iran rebuilding military industrial base faster than expected, already producing drones, according to US intel​

All that trump seems to be able to prove by this war is that the previous agreement wasn't so bad after all. 30B, 13 dead, 100's injured, higher prices/inflation and a closed strait is all we have to show for it so far.

 

[92tide]

All that trump seems to be able to prove by this war is that the previous agreement wasn't so bad after all. 30B, 13 dead, 100's injured, higher prices/inflation and a closed strait is all we have to show for it so far.

we also have a bunch of christian nationalist gender affirming going on with kegsbreath bowing up on folks all the time, so there's that.

 

[92tide]

Obama-era nuclear deal may be best result for US, Iran peace talks | The Jerusalem Post

Israel is closely watching the possibility of an interim arrangement, particularly amid reports that Iran could reopen the Strait of Hormuz as part of a broader understanding with Washington.

www.jpost.com

 

[arthurdawg]

The Iran "War" was ill conceived and doomed from the beginning without a massive and costly ground war that would have lasted for years.

It has been war gamed many times in the past, and it is no surprise that we are at where we are. Only the hubris of Trump and Hegseth and the rest of their ilk led us down a path that was forecast to be a disaster by many learned military strategists.

 

[UAH]

I used to think that developers should share the burden of paying for new roads, but now I believe anything more than 3 houses should be required to plan well for all reasonable modes of transportation that are not only functional, but desirable. Such as nice walking paths, safe and connected bike paths, usable bus routes, and lastly car infrastructure (as it’s the least sustainable long term). No more build it and sort out the mess later projects.

Here on the ground one can only conclude that Madison is run by the developers and contractors with an in with city government.