Trump Attempted Coup - Part VIII


Over a dozen of former President Trump's close allies face growing legal bills when he's least able to help — and they're turning to desperate measures to raise money for their fights.

Why it matters: Trump's co-defendants in the Fulton County case each need legal teams that could cost well into the six figures.

  • "Even if you do some back-of-the envelope accounting, I'd think each motion filed is going to cost a defendant in the five figures minimum," Caren Morrison, a former Assistant U.S. Attorney in the Eastern District of New York and an associate professor of law at Georgia State University, wrote in an email to Axios.
  • "I don't see anyone's fee less than $250,000-500,000" unless they strike a plea deal with prosecutors, Cornell Law School adjunct professor Randy Zelin told Axios.
 

Over a dozen of former President Trump's close allies face growing legal bills when he's least able to help — and they're turning to desperate measures to raise money for their fights.

Why it matters: Trump's co-defendants in the Fulton County case each need legal teams that could cost well into the six figures.

  • "Even if you do some back-of-the envelope accounting, I'd think each motion filed is going to cost a defendant in the five figures minimum," Caren Morrison, a former Assistant U.S. Attorney in the Eastern District of New York and an associate professor of law at Georgia State University, wrote in an email to Axios.
  • "I don't see anyone's fee less than $250,000-500,000" unless they strike a plea deal with prosecutors, Cornell Law School adjunct professor Randy Zelin told Axios.

bunch of them on givesendgo

bunch of nazis too. It's an odd coincidence I guess

also wonder the reason why they aren't supporting everyone the same?



I just can't put my finger on a reason
 
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Florida lawyer files legal challenge to disqualify Trump from 2024 presidential race
The challenge was filed in federal court in the Southern District of Florida citing the 14th Amendment's "disqualification clause."
 


Florida lawyer files legal challenge to disqualify Trump from 2024 presidential race
The challenge was filed in federal court in the Southern District of Florida citing the 14th Amendment's "disqualification clause."
Don't know why it wasn't sooner...
 
Would we not need a court of law to determine he participated in an insurrection to disqualify him from holding office under the 14th amendment?
 


Florida lawyer files legal challenge to disqualify Trump from 2024 presidential race
The challenge was filed in federal court in the Southern District of Florida citing the 14th Amendment's "disqualification clause."
Super interesting. I think he has really good argument. As I said a few days ago there has to be some form of legal adjudication of the 14th amendment.

Now let’s say he wins his case. I think it guarantees a Republican president. The entire conservative base would be mobilized to vote like never before and it would likely cause some level of apathy in the Democrats. Big bad Trump would be gone. Nothing motivates Democrats to vote like Trump, and let’s be honest Biden is about as exciting as an algebra test. He got elected because he wasn’t Trump and it was a viable reason.
 
I wouldn’t be surprised to see him banned from the ballot in some states but they will be states he wouldn’t win anyway.

LBJ wasn’t on the ballot in Alabama in 1964.
 
Would we not need a court of law to determine he participated in an insurrection to disqualify him from holding office under the 14th amendment?
My thought exactly. There has to be some kind of process or it will be chaos.
 
Would we not need a court of law to determine he participated in an insurrection to disqualify him from holding office under the 14th amendment?
Not if that section is self-executing and there is no mandatory language in it. As I pointed out above, former Confederates were readmitted to Congress without any judicial intervention. It was common knowledge who had been a Confederate, but Congress "pardoned" them, anyway. And they had no national TV...
 
Not if that section is self-executing and there is no mandatory language in it. As I pointed out above, former Confederates were readmitted to Congress without any judicial intervention. It was common knowledge who had been a Confederate, but Congress "pardoned" them, anyway. And they had no national TV...
Someone is going to execute it. If it’s SCOTUS, Congress, or secretaries of state. If your confederate example holds then would Congress be the ones to act? This self executing stuff makes no sense. Someone will invoke and execute it through their delegated power.
 
Someone is going to execute it. If it’s SCOTUS, Congress, or secretaries of state. If your confederate example holds then would Congress be the ones to act? This self executing stuff makes no sense. Someone will invoke and execute it through their delegated power.
Well, as I told you before, there are very immanent constitutional scholars, on both sides, who think otherwise. Google "is Trump eligible ?" At least read what they have to say, rather than just deciding you know better...
 
Well, as I told you before, there are very immanent constitutional scholars, on both sides, who think otherwise. Google "is Trump eligible ?" At least read what they have to say, rather than just deciding you know better...
I’ve read several articles including the one by Laurence Tribe and J. Michael Luttig in the Atlantic. It was very interesting. I also read this interview in the New Yorker with Luttig.


What I’m saying is someone has to decide and take action. The 14th amendment isn’t going to grow arms and legs and write a legal opinion or remove Trump from the ballot. Who is going to do that? Luttig says elected officials can and fair enough, but it’s going to the SCOTUS and their will be a court decision. So you can try to say it’s self executing but the courts will ultimately decide the outcome of that legal theory as they should. The first time he’s removed it will go automatically to SCOTUS because Trump or the state Rep. Party will
sue. This is how it should be. A partisan hack Secretary of State that the residents of the state much less the rest of the country have no clue who they are should decide this alone. I don’t “know better” but I do believe a process has to take place in this situation and ultimately I think it will with SCOTUS deciding how to interpret this amendment as they should……….
 
So i may not be following this very well. But if it is self-executing then that means he has essentially nullified himself from holding office and no judicial determination is necessary? But someone still has to execute the constitutional amendment barring him holding office. Who is that? An outgoing President? The outgoing VP in the ceremonial counting of votes? The Chief Justice refusing to adminster the oath of office?

If Congress pardoned Confederates and reseated them to Congress, then that puts us with precedent overriding the Constitution. It's seems the whole intent of this group is to challenge the force and effect of the Constitution and putting people entrusted with fulfilling their Constitutional duties in untenable situations where their individual welfare and ethics are pushed to extreme risk. In this vein, this is just a continuation in finding the point of failure in our form of government.

Not if that section is self-executing and there is no mandatory language in it. As I pointed out above, former Confederates were readmitted to Congress without any judicial intervention. It was common knowledge who had been a Confederate, but Congress "pardoned" them, anyway. And they had no national TV...
 
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