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Just a comment on this. Hyuandai is likely hiring contract labor that is provided by area job contract businesses. This is a way for corporations to escape legal requirements to verify legal status of all of their employees. The contract labor companys have the same responsibility as well but with a wink and a nod they manage to create documentation. Ultimately these contract providers have a store front and our owned in a blind corporate structure to minimize legal issues. This is happening in manufacturing and processing plants all over the United States. Employers are unable to find US workers willing to work in the pace and conditions inherent in most of these plants.
Is it really the pace and conditions, or the pay, that are not attracting US workers? I don't blame US workers for not wanting low-paying jobs that will require them to hold multiple jobs to raise a family. Pay people a decent wage they can raise a family on, and I think plenty of US workers would be just fine with the pace and conditions in these plants.
 

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There needs to be a real discussion about the quality of the American worker now. No shows for interviews, poorly dressed, not respectful to leadership, callous to fellow employees and very lacking in computer skills that dont include how to navigate social media. These are all traits I see frequently in our employee recruitment. Its a crisis that isn't getting enough attention.

Is it really the pace and conditions, or the pay, that are not attracting US workers? I don't blame US workers for not wanting low-paying jobs that will require them to hold multiple jobs to raise a family. Pay people a decent wage they can raise a family on, and I think plenty of US workers would be just fine with the pace and conditions in these plants.
 

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Is it really the pace and conditions, or the pay, that are not attracting US workers? I don't blame US workers for not wanting low-paying jobs that will require them to hold multiple jobs to raise a family. Pay people a decent wage they can raise a family on, and I think plenty of US workers would be just fine with the pace and conditions in these plants.
This is a very long discussion that depends on a number of factors such as the nature of the work itself. People who have grown up in the US just aren't going to work by in large in meat and poultry processing plants which is just one example.

Hyuandai likely had a commitment to locate jobs in the US and was incentivised to do so but they must produce the components at a cost of what could be achieved in the Philippines or Malaysia. That a fundamental of our capitalist system. Capital flows to its greatest return. We could discuss that at length as well.

Overall automotive assembly plants are clean air conditioned and ergonomically designed. Those jobs are relatively easier to fill. The thousands of other assemblies and parts from contractors that go into the final product are not nearly the same.
 
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This is a very long discussion that depends on a number of factors such as the nature of the work itself. People who have grown up in the US just aren't going to work by in large in meat and poultry processing plants which is just one example.

Hyuandai likely had a commitment to locate jobs in the US and was incentivised to do so but they must produce the components at a cost of what could be achieved in the Philippines or Malaysia. That a fundamental of our capitalist system. Capital flows to its greatest return. We could discuss that at length as well.

Overall automotive assembly plants are clean air conditioned and ergonomically designed. Those jobs are relatively easier to fill. The thousands of other assemblies and parts from contractors that go into the final product are not nearly the same.
This is a good reply. Over the years, I've represented a number of machine shops. Everyone who wants in this discussion should go and spend a couple of hours in one...
 
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i spent about 3 months working on a furniture assembly line after academic struggles in my first two years in college.

it was very eye opening. and motivating
Working a hard job can be very motivating. My son is a good kid who never gets in trouble but really hates traditional academics. He's a hard worker though and very smart with great test scores.

He taught himself to weld and wanted to skip college and get his certification, but after two long summers of working in the hot sun doing pool maintenance and installs... He is happily getting an engineering degree at JSU and grades have been doing fine.

He may still come back and do the welding, but he sees the value in college!
 

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Working a hard job can be very motivating. My son is a good kid who never gets in trouble but really hates traditional academics. He's a hard worker though and very smart with great test scores.

He taught himself to weld and wanted to skip college and get his certification, but after two long summers of working in the hot sun doing pool maintenance and installs... He is happily getting an engineering degree at JSU and grades have been doing fine.

He may still come back and do the welding, but he sees the value in college!
That reminds me a lot of my own son. He made straight A's since birth, but after graduation from HS, decided on a career path of skill. He joined the union (IBEW) right away and is currently wrapping up his last year as an apprentice. He likes working with his hands and figuring out problems that require thinking around corners. He is also keenly aware of his earning potential.
 
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Working a hard job can be very motivating. My son is a good kid who never gets in trouble but really hates traditional academics. He's a hard worker though and very smart with great test scores.

He taught himself to weld and wanted to skip college and get his certification, but after two long summers of working in the hot sun doing pool maintenance and installs... He is happily getting an engineering degree at JSU and grades have been doing fine.

He may still come back and do the welding, but he sees the value in college!
it was the tedium, danger, and how dead end it was that really made an impact on me.
 
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Working a hard job can be very motivating. My son is a good kid who never gets in trouble but really hates traditional academics. He's a hard worker though and very smart with great test scores.

He taught himself to weld and wanted to skip college and get his certification, but after two long summers of working in the hot sun doing pool maintenance and installs... He is happily getting an engineering degree at JSU and grades have been doing fine.

He may still come back and do the welding, but he sees the value in college!
LOL! Life and its parallels. My granddaughter first decided she wanted to be a marine biologist and actually got a scholly offer from the University of Alaska, of all places. However, her SO is in the Coast Guard in the VA Beach area, so she decided to become a welder. She spent two years in community college learning the trade. After a couple of years of working at it, she had the same realization and went back to school and got a degree as a vet tech. She's now considering vet school...
 

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it was the tedium, danger, and how dead end it was that really made an impact on me.
I had made the point that when he was 50 and old and fat like his old man, lugging that welding gear in the hot sun and cold winter would be much less fun than a desk job building the machines to make the welder... His engineering degree has lots of hands on stuff, perfect for him!
 

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I had made the point that when he was 50 and old and fat like his old man, lugging that welding gear in the hot sun and cold winter would be much less fun than a desk job building the machines to make the welder... His engineering degree has lots of hands on stuff, perfect for him!
there were quite a few folks there in their 40's and probably early 50s (i was 20 so everyone was old) making around $5.50-$6/ hr

it didn't take me long to realize i did not want that to be me
 
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That reminds me a lot of my own son. He made straight A's since birth, but after graduation from HS, decided on a career path of skill. He joined the union (IBEW) right away and is currently wrapping up his last year as an apprentice. He likes working with his hands and figuring out problems that require thinking around corners. He is also keenly aware of his earning potential.
There arer a lot of trades that pay really well. That being said, many of them require hard physical work, sometimes working outside in the heat or cold. And after installing a few faucets in my lifetime, I believe that plumbers deserve the good pay that they get. No way I could do that for a living.

Or the HVAC guy who has to go up into an attic in the heat of the day.
 

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There arer a lot of trades that pay really well. That being said, many of them require hard physical work, sometimes working outside in the heat or cold. And after installing a few faucets in my lifetime, I believe that plumbers deserve the good pay that they get. No way I could do that for a living.

Or the HVAC guy who has to go up into an attic in the heat of the day.
Been there, done that, came to the exact same conclusion. And Evan is getting training in both residential and commercial electrical work, so he's familiar with the hot and tight spaces. Still, the idea of being stranded in an office is a fate worse than death for him. His long term goal is to work until he qualifies for his pension then go into business for himself. And he'll have the capital to do it because he hates spending money. No kidding, he's 22 years old and worse than Scrooge McFreaking Duck. I've never seen a kid quite like him.
 
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Been there, done that, came to the exact same conclusion. And Evan is getting training in both residential and commercial electrical work, so he's familiar with the hot and tight spaces. Still, the idea of being stranded in an office is a fate worse than death for him. His long term goal is to work until he qualifies for his pension then go into business for himself. And he'll have the capital to do it because he hates spending money. No kidding, he's 22 years old and worse than Scrooge McFreaking Duck. I've never seen a kid quite like him.
Tell him to make sure and take good care of his health. I see way too many blue collar guys who work too hard and don't do the things to remain healthy. #1 on that list is making sure you take care of your teeth!

And tell him to have a backup plan for age 45+ if he starts to have joint and back issues. I see lots of guys in their 50s who are just broke down but have no pathway to make a living otherwise.
 

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Tell him to make sure and take good care of his health. I see way too many blue collar guys who work too hard and don't do the things to remain healthy. #1 on that list is making sure you take care of your teeth!

And tell him to have a backup plan for age 45+ if he starts to have joint and back issues. I see lots of guys in their 50s who are just broke down but have no pathway to make a living otherwise.
Oh, he already knows. There's a reason he's taking his pension ASAP and starting his own business. He knows he'll have to do most of the work to get it off the ground, but when he gets the business grown to the right point, he can concentrate on running it and hire some young bucks to go out and do the hard stuff.

And I've already lectured him on our family's history of diabetes and heart disease. If it takes him out, it won't be for lack of knowledge.
 

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In defense of the War Department
Euphemisms such as “defense” and “security” have a tendency for bureaucratic mission-creep.

Euphemisms distort thought, and no entities are more adept at producing euphemisms than governments. President Donald Trump’s rebranding on Friday of the Department of Defense as the Department of War is a worthy blow against government euphemism. Perhaps it can be followed by clearer thinking about the military’s role at home and abroad.
 
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