Trump's comments - NBC and Univision reaction

[selmaborntidefan]

Personally, I don't believe anything he says, mainly because all of his cardinal points are complete reversals of positions he took not so many years ago. One thing you can say about the Pauls - they are consistent. Well, the father more than the son...

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ THIS!!!!

I find myself musing the same thing. In all sincerity, I can only give you ONE asset Trump has to be President: he's NOT Hillary Clinton (speaking of reversals of positions).

That's it - and that standard is met by every other candidate running, so it doesn't even mean anything.

As far as details, I'm not paying close attention (mostly because I view politics more for the sport than for anything "real" that happens), so I can't answer that on Trump. Then again, since Trump is not a Democrat, he can't say what every single one of them will say: "We will do A, B, and C by raising taxes on the rich" (unspoken part: who have financed my campaign, and you're nuts if you think I'm hosing them for real).

We'll know Trump has turned another leaf when he suddenly advocates "an across-the-board tax cut" to "all who pay taxes."

 

[Bazza]

I like the way you think, Tidewater, on the illegals....it's way out of hand and an embarrassment. You don't see other countries letting people wander in, stay, and freeload.

Tonight on CNN at 9pm eastern, Trump will be interviewed by Chris Cuomo. Not sure what to expect from Cuomo/CNN. I think they probably enjoyed Trump's dressing down of Fox News and have probably realized by now that Trump is not the typical politician to be played by the media like a puppet. I expect some hard questions but I also expect Cuomo will not try and strong-arm tactics, such as MK of Fox News did.

 

[seebell]

Should entitlement programs also be expressly constitutionally limited to citizens?

They are, with a few exceptions, limited to citizens now. But not constitutionally.

Selma is right. The polls mean nothing right now. The nominee will have to win delegates by vote in each state's primary. Long way to go.

 

[Bazza]

So far Cuomo is being very respectful of Trump with his interview - as I expected. It almost looks like Cuomo has turned into a groupie of Trump....mesmerized by his strong personality.

Maybe he's even fantasizing of becoming his press secretary....

 

[tidegrandpa]

So far Cuomo is being very respectful of Trump with his interview - as I expected. It almost looks like Cuomo has turned into a groupie of Trump....mesmerized by his strong personality.

Maybe he's even fantasizing of becoming his press secretary....

Dennis Miller volunteered last night.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Has he DETAILED how he's going to deport ALL illegal immigrants? Looks like all politicians don't want to give SPECIFICS of any of their hot air.

Probably not, but I DO find it amusing that Democrats mock Republicans for actually thinking they can deport 12 million (now it's more) illegals while at the same time actually thinking themselves that they can ACCOUNT FOR AND REGISTER 270 million guns. Or keep illegal ones out of the hands of 325 million citizens or however many illegal purchasers.

Both ideas may sound good on paper, but they'll never happen.

 

[Bazza]

Dennis Miller volunteered last night.

I have to admit......that would be very cool....

Trump hangs out with bald eagle named 'Uncle Sam'

 

[Tidewater]

Has he DETAILED how he's going to deport ALL illegal immigrants? Looks like all politicians don't want to give SPECIFICS of any of their hot air.

A big portion of the illegals that left since 2008 left on their own, due to the difficulties in finding a job. ICE calls this "self-deportation." I think between 2008 and 2012, something like half a million did just that.

Make it impossible for illegals to get a job (and dangerous for employers to hire them under the table), make it impossible for them to get "the help," make it impossible for them to ever become citizens or even legal immigrants while in an illegal status, and they will leave because there is scant reason to be here.

 

[Tidewater]

This is pretty funny.
Michael Keegan, from the ironically-named "People for the American Way," chastises anyone who criticizes the concept of birthright citizenship.
Except, this Republican advocate of the XIV Amendment had the following to say about the concept.

"Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country."

It has to suck for Mr. Keegan to be so wrong in public.
Then again, people on his side of the aisle look at the Constitution as something to be thwarted, negated, gotten around anyway, so this won't bother him.

 

[Bamaro]

A big portion of the illegals that left since 2008 left on their own, due to the difficulties in finding a job. ICE calls this "self-deportation." I think between 2008 and 2012, something like half a million did just that.

Make it impossible for illegals to get a job (and dangerous for employers to hire them under the table), make it impossible for them to get "the help," make it impossible for them to ever become citizens or even legal immigrants while in an illegal status, and they will leave because there is scant reason to be here.

Yup and I still disagree with the vilifying of Romney proposing just that. He should have doubled down rather than backing off.

 

[Tidewater]

Yup and I still disagree with the vilifying of Romney proposing just that. He should have doubled down rather than backing off.

Yeah, that was weird. I guess the establishment advisers told him that this would not be popular and to back off.
Deportation does not mean chartering 30,000 airplane flights. It means enforcing the dadgum law and making sure they don't get jobs, and they will leave. Not all, but a bunch.
This, however, is way too complex for most journalists to understand. They can't take enough time away form the next Kardashian story to figure this out.
And it will have an impact in the future, as current illegals write home to their relatives considering coming to the US and tell them, "Don't bother. You won't be able to get a job. The gringos really are enforcing their immigration and employment laws. Just stay home."

 

[Bamaro]

Apparently the term "anchor baby" is now frowned upon

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Apparently the term "anchor baby" is now frowned upon

Until the current campaign, I thought it was more a problem with Chinese women than anyone else. It's true that many Hispanic children born here have one parent who's documented and one who is not. I read some some stats on southern California several years ago and I was amazed at the percentage of families which were made up of a mix of legals and illegals...

 

[Bama Reb]

Apparently the term "anchor baby" is now frowned upon

Bamaro, I've become somewhat confused by some of your recent posts. If I didn't know you better, I'd swear you were actually looking at what's really going on, listening to what folks were saying, and thinking for yourself.
That is, if I didn't know you better...

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Yup and I still disagree with the vilifying of Romney proposing just that. He should have doubled down rather than backing off.

He also should have stood right by his 47% remark once he made it. A friend of mine who voted for Obama in 2008 - a middle of the road Reagan Democrat (conservative on a lot of fiscal issues, liberal/libertarian on some social issues) - was with Romney even after the 47% remark until he backed off of it.

He shouldn't have made it in the first place, but once you've done it you're stuck with it. GHW Bush picked an appalling mediocrity for a running mate, but he did a better job of defending his horrific choice (that actually was relevant to national security since it was the freaking VP!) aggressively than Romney did by backing down. It played right into Romney's "Al Gore weakness" - that he was the kind of person who would say anything to get elected.

 

[day-day]

Yeah, that was weird. I guess the establishment advisers told him that this would not be popular and to back off.
Deportation does not mean chartering 30,000 airplane flights. It means enforcing the dadgum law and making sure they don't get jobs, and they will leave. Not all, but a bunch.
This, however, is way too complex for most journalists to understand. They can't take enough time away form the next Kardashian story to figure this out.
And it will have an impact in the future, as current illegals write home to their relatives considering coming to the US and tell them, "Don't bother. You won't be able to get a job. The gringos really are enforcing their immigration and employment laws. Just stay home."

Or follow the legal immigration process.

One thing the Democrats do very well is to spin the words on a particular position taken by the opponents. An example in the past was when a Republican said they wanted to reform the welfare system, the Democrats put this out with simple words for simple people, "The Republicans want to take food out of your grandmother's mouth." Recently, I heard a Democrat imply in a statement that the Republicans oppose immigration completely and are being hypocrites for this.

 

[Al A Bama]

A big portion of the illegals that left since 2008 left on their own, due to the difficulties in finding a job. ICE calls this "self-deportation." I think between 2008 and 2012, something like half a million did just that.

Make it impossible for illegals to get a job (and dangerous for employers to hire them under the table), make it impossible for them to get "the help," make it impossible for them to ever become citizens or even legal immigrants while in an illegal status, and they will leave because there is scant reason to be here.

You may be on to something here.

Well, they may have to go back to Mexico so that they can get a job working for Ford, Nabisco, et al. No more oreos for me and I have NEVER purchased a Ford.

 

[Tidewater]

Or follow the legal immigration process.

One thing the Democrats do very well is to spin the words on a particular position taken by the opponents. An example in the past was when a Republican said they wanted to reform the welfare system, the Democrats put this out with simple words for simple people, "The Republicans want to take food out of your grandmother's mouth." Recently, I heard a Democrat imply in a statement that the Republicans oppose immigration completely and are being hypocrites for this.

When the media punch a Republicans politician in the punch and say, "Isn't it true, Mr. Republican, that you are evil and stupid and want, poor people to just die?" The normal establishment Republican response is to look down at the floor, and say, "Yes, that's right. I'm so sorry. Please elect me anyway."

One of the things Trump does that I like and that I like a lot is he punches those slack-jawed bugger-eating morons in the media right back and says, "No, that's not correct and you are stupid for even asking that question. Moron. Shut your pie-hole. Next?"
I still won't be voting for Trump, but I sure wish more Republicans would call slack-jawed bugger-eating morons in the media slack-jawed bugger-eating morons.

 

[Tidewater]

When I vent my frustration with the Justice Department and the Federal judiciary, here is a fine example of why.
Judge Gee, if you don't like US immigration policy, run for Congress, propose a bill (pursuant to Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution) and argue for its passage. Until you do, shut up and color.
The Justice Department has said, (correctly, in my view) that kicking illegal immigrant kids (some with accompanying mothers) out of detention without sending them home will re-open the floodgates of illegal children flooding into the country.
Judge Gee says this is "fear-mongering."

 

[Al A Bama]

How can 1 illegal male + 1 illegal female = 1 or more legal male/s / female/s? (Could be twins/triplets, et al).

Does this have anything to do with Common Core mathematics?