Trump's Policies Part 6

[selmaborntidefan]

The voters elected Barack Obama (a black guy)….twice. But since then, the electorate has gotten racist and won’t vote for a person of color?

Not only that, they all moved or sprouted - somehow miraculously - only in SWING STATES that decide the election, LOL!!!

To repeat: The Democratic Party didn’t nominate Harris. Twice….once in an open contest in 2020, and once again when it was clear that Biden’s mental capabilities weren’t up to the job, but they stuck with him anyway. Is the Democratic Party racist and sexist?

Well, of course. That's why they were so hard against Sarah Palin and Kari Lake.

Then, rather than have a true race for the nomination, they coronated a candidate who, the last time out, was convincingly ousted from the field early on.

In defense of the Ds....that's because after they lied so long, they were stuck with the brutal fact that ONLY HARRIS was legally eligible to use the money for the Biden-Harris campaign.

BTW — Asserting that more than half the electorate are racist woman-hating bigots isn’t exactly the recommended way to convert them to your side.

Barack Obama thought she was a terrible candidate that would lose, but we all know what a racist and sexist Barack is, right?

 

[75thru79]

you forgot
5. the high price of eggs

6. She's not a Nazi

 

[selmaborntidefan]

I think bundling them all is a mistake.

Of course it is. But remember: what works in an academic thesis doesn't translate to the real world.

Yeah, Bill Clinton did go to Yale and Oxford......but he didn't approach political issues or crowds like a guy who did. What's funny is you'd think the "all or nothing" fallacy that has lost them so damned many Presidential elections would be cause for recalibrating and differing one's approach, but it's a whole lot easier to pepper the voters with labels and blame them for not seeing one's alleged genius.

 

[JDCrimson]

This is the truest statement of the whole debacle...

And appointing her a the VP to begin with knowing she was unelectable was when the mistake was laid into motion. It's almost like electability as an in waiting candidate was not considered when thst should be the deciding factor in appointing a VP. The VP must be someone the country will tolerate if called upon to serve or consider as a viable followup candidate.

In defense of the Ds....that's because after they lied so long, they were stuck with the brutal fact that ONLY HARRIS was legally eligible to use the money for the Biden-Harris campaign.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

This is the truest statement of the whole debacle...

And appointing her a the VP to begin with knowing she was unelectable was when the mistake was laid into motion. It's almost like electability as an in waiting candidate was not considered when thst should be the deciding factor in appointing a VP. The VP must be someone the country will tolerate if called upon to serve or consider as a viable followup candidate.

One of the things that Parnes and Allen covered in their book about the whole thing was the fact that the consultants/advisors/even Barack Obama WERE ALL warning the rich donors who basically said, "You're not getting another dime until he's replaced" that "look, this is who you're going to have as a candidate" - and they were doing it as a threat of "yeah, he's bad but she's worse."

Maybe Biden shouldn't have made a promise he never needed to make to cut off Bernie and Pocahontas. Maybe he shouldn't have kept it - because seriously, you go behind closed doors and tell the Congressional Black Caucus when you choose Whitmer or Klobuchar, "Look, you're not voting for Trump in November - you know it and so do I, so just cut the crap."

But I've long thought it was Klobuchar - and the moment Chauvin killed George Floyd, there was not a chance in the world Biden was picking the former prosecutor from the county where he died.

 

[jthomas666]

Mental health counseling. Find out what the real problem is if there are other underlying problems before taking a mixed-up kid at his word.

FIFY

 

[Tidewater]

This is the truest statement of the whole debacle...

And appointing her a the VP to begin with knowing she was unelectable was when the mistake was laid into motion. It's almost like electability as an in waiting candidate was not considered when thst should be the deciding factor in appointing a VP. The VP must be someone the country will tolerate if called upon to serve or consider as a viable followup candidate.

True. I forget where, but I heard an "expert" on election financing say that money donated to Biden-Harris can only go to Biden or Harris. If some other Democrat had secured the nomination at that late hour, they would have started at zero in the fund-raising game.
That is why the best time for Biden to take a bow and ride off into the sunset was after the mid-terms, so an open field could have competed for the nomination.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

And appointing her a the VP to begin with knowing she was unelectable

I'll defend Biden on this one point: Harris was like one of those bands that comes out of nowhere and has a blockbuster hit song as an opening act...and then can't follow it up with another. It was NOT unreasonable in 2020 to believe that "you know, with a little polishing, a little work, a little exposure to the big issues in DC, she has potential."

I think the problem in his case doing that was when you're the oldest President already - and when you've had health issues - the bar for immediate ability to lead is raised substantially.

 

[Bodhisattva]

Latest news on jobs and trade:

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/07/03/jobs-report-june-2025.html

Nonfarm payrolls increased a seasonally adjusted 147,000 for the month, higher than the estimate for 110,000 and just above the upwardly revised 144,000 in May, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported Thursday. April’s tally also saw a small upward revision, now at 158,000 following an 11,000 increase. ... The unemployment rate fell to 4.1%.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/07/02/trump-trade-vietnam-deal.html?&qsearchterm=vietnman

U.S. exports to Vietnam: no tariff
U.S. imports from Vietnam: 20% tariff
U.S. transshipped* imports from Vietnam: 40% tariff

*mostly from China

 

[CrimsonNagus]

Everything always comes down to money in this country, so of course, she was the pick from the bullpen when Biden was yanked in the 8th inning. All the whining about not having a "mini" convention was just whiney grandstanding. Every Democrat knew there wasn't enough time for a new candidate to raise money for a campaign; they just wanted their "TV" moment.

A woman will get elected one day, but it will need to be a woman who can bridge the gap a little across the aisle. Harris and Clinton were just too polarizing to do that.

 

[spidermayin]

STATES TRUMP CARRIED WITH WOMEN* OFFICEHOLDERS OF GOVERNOR OR SENATOR
Michigan - Gretchen Whitmer, Elissa Slotkin (elected on same day as Trump won)
Wisconsin - Tammy Baldwin
Iowa - Jodi Ernst, Kim Reynolds
Arkansas - Sarah Huckabee Sanders
Arizona - Katie Hobbs
Alabama - Kay Ivey, Katie Britt
Kansas - Laura Kelly
Alaska - Lisa Murkowski
Mississippi - Cindy Hyde-Smith
Nebraska - Deb Fischer
Nevada - Jacky Rosen (Same ballot as Trump), Catherine Masto
Tennessee - Marsha Blackburn (same ballot as Trump)
West Virginia - Shelly Capito
Wyoming - Cynthia Lummis

So.....obviously these states do not have any problem at all voting for a woman, not even the most rock-ribbed conservative ones that are supposedly so misogynistic.

Trump carried 14 of the states with at least one woman of Senator or Governor.
Harris carried 11.

These weren't states with issues electing women officeholders; they are states that simply rejected Kamala Harris as President. (And for those wanting to go the "but racist" route, Obama carried four of those states, so they obviously don't have a problem voting for a black candidate, either).

* - I'm not a biologist, but I'm also not a pretentious SCOTUS nominee hiding my real views.

I get where you're coming from, but I think's it's apples and oranges comparing governor and senator elections to the office of President. Can you look at the numbers circled below and tell me why less black men voted for Kamala Harris and less hispanic men voted for Kamala Harris. If Josh Shapiro was the candidate and he had the same policies, do you honestly think those numbers would be the same? I am not one of those people that jump to the "because this person was this race, or this sex, they lost". I honestly believe it made an impact in this case.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

A dear friend of Mrs. Tidewater is in her late 50s. Her mother was in her 80s and had cancer. The 50 year old drove an hour one-way to take her mother to all her chemo and oncology appointments. Sadly, eventually, mom passed. The 50-year old woman was planning on moving back home and living in her mother's house (she had grown up in that house, and it had been paid off decades in the past).
Unbeknownst to the woman, he 30-something son (a lawyer) had had grandma declared mentally incompetent, drafted a new will, which left everything to him. When grandma passed, the house was on the market within hours and sold within days. He had never mentioned any of this to his mother.

I was gobsmacked. I assume it was all legally done, but I cannot imagine taking the house from my mother and selling it without mentioning it.

Well, the will-making and the declaration of NCM would have to be reversed, since an incompetent person can't make a will, nor can an agent, under normal circumstances, make one for such a person. Nevertheless, there are many ways to accomplish it and I've seen it many times...

 

[Tidewater]

Well, the will-making and the declaration of NCM would have to be reversed, since an incompetent person can't make a will, nor can an agent, under normal circumstances, make one for such a person. Nevertheless, there are many ways to accomplish it and I've seen it many times...

I was not so stunned by the legal aspect as the familial. I cannot imagine going around my parents to my grandmother and modifying maneuvering grandma into leaving everything to me without having a serious family conversation with my mother about grandma.
Maybe the lack of transparency was due to the grandson knowing that what he was doing was not ethical (it may have been legal), so he was sneaking around behind his mother. That really stunned me.

 

[Its On A Slab]

Everything always comes down to money in this country, so of course, she was the pick from the bullpen when Biden was yanked in the 8th inning. All the whining about not having a "mini" convention was just whiney grandstanding. Every Democrat knew there wasn't enough time for a new candidate to raise money for a campaign; they just wanted their "TV" moment.

A woman will get elected one day, but it will need to be a woman who can bridge the gap a little across the aisle. Harris and Clinton were just too polarizing to do that.

The people who had the most problems with Kamala's 8th inning relief were people who I knew had no earthly intention of voting for her or for any Democrat.

I think a lot of it had to do with fear that the temporary bump in the polls that ensued was going to last, and that they feared it was a bad sign for their dear convicted felon.

If I were to blame Biden for anything, it was his decision to choose a Veep that had no real following. And a lot of superficial, real or perceived negatives. He could have picked a much stronger candidate in 2020. But this is all Monday morning QB'ing.

The safest bet was to give the role to the 2nd-in-command, the Veep who had already been elected in the previous election.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

I get where you're coming from, but I think's it's apples and oranges comparing governor and senator elections to the office of President. Can you look at the numbers circled below and tell me why less black men voted for Kamala Harris and less hispanic men voted for Kamala Harris.

Yes. All one has to do is listen to them. At the end of the day, policy will trump bias a lot more than we like to think. The fact is, a ton of people of color are slowing starting to realize they've been sold a lousy bill of goods in the Democratic party. It was bound to happen sooner or later as we now live in the information age and people are having an easier time getting access to information that some would rather they not have. I am happy to see this happening and I genuinely wish Christians would start to realize the same about the Republican party. Granted, one can point to a micro-movement of Christians who stayed home on election day, but they are a tiny minority indeed.

Black folks have been one of the most dependable demographics that the Dems have ever had. The thing is, this is true despite the fact that many blacks are quite conservative. I think personal values are starting to take precedence over doing things a certain way because "that's how we've always done it." Not helping matters was Biden making insane comments like, "if you don't know if you're voting for me or Trump, you ain't black!" Yeah, the media downplayed this as hard as they could, but it was still seen be a LOT of people, many of whom were black and started to realize they are being taken for granted.

If Josh Shapiro was the candidate and he had the same policies, do you honestly think those numbers would be the same? I am not one of those people that jump to the "because this person was this race, or this sex, they lost". I honestly believe it made an impact in this case.

Not only would Shapiro's numbers have been equally bad, but they might have been worse. I don't think there's any real dispute to the fact that antisemitism has made an ugly comeback in this country and it seems to be infecting both sides of the aisle. But even if we table that problem, Shapiro's biggest issue is going to be what I said above. His party is in shambles and losing supporters. He's not going to be able to fix that by himself. Until the Dems reboot themselves into something halfway functional, their only hope is to sit on the sidelines and hope the Republicans throw multiple interceptions they can return for an easy score.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Can you look at the numbers circled below and tell me why less black men voted for Kamala Harris and less hispanic men voted for Kamala Harris.

Because black and Hispanic men are racist?????

 

[75thru79]

If I were to blame Biden for anything, it was his decision to choose a Veep that had no real following. And a lot of superficial, real or perceived negatives. He could have picked a much stronger candidate in 2020.

I don't blame Biden. It was the Democratic Party power brokers that told him he had to pick a "Black" woman as his running mate. When identity politics is your raison d'etre then you have to go whole hog, right? The only problem with that is most Americans are not keen on social experiments in presidential elections. Who knows, she may have been the most qualified but when you, at the start, decide to limit the population of candidates to about 5% of the US population then what could possible go wrong?

 

[selmaborntidefan]

The people who had the most problems with Kamala's 8th inning relief were people who I knew had no earthly intention of voting for her or for any Democrat.

I think a lot of it had to do with fear that the temporary bump in the polls that ensued was going to last, and that they feared it was a bad sign for their dear convicted felon.

She hit the ground rounding, the party had enthusiasm, and she wiped the floor with him in their one debate. I may be in the minority, but I just don't think a race that turned on prices was winnable for the Democrats.

It doesn't matter whether they were sitting on high controlling prices, which we know they weren't.
The same thing would have happened if the Republicans were in charge, lead or replacement. I think the replacement came across as a tad bit disingenuous from folks who spent four years saying "elections can't be stolen" and "the will of the voter" and the other nonsense they abandoned the moment it was convenient.

If I were to blame Biden for anything, it was his decision to choose a Veep that had no real following. And a lot of superficial, real or perceived negatives. He could have picked a much stronger candidate in 2020.

He bartered his VP on the basis of his position of weakness. He made a promise he never should have made and then he doubled down on idiocy by honoring it (seriously - nobody would have thrown this back at him in his own party). And Jim Clyburn wanted his payoff for helping Biden win in SC, which was to cut off the legs of "that cute white girl in Michigan." I still think Klobuchar was the right choice - and I still suspect she was right up until the Floyd murder. She would not have muttered those word salads that Kamala patented.

 

[jthomas666]

Move along, nothing to see here...

Trump’s DOJ looks at criminal charges for election officials

Trump has spread unfounded claims the 2020 election was fraudulent

www.the-independent.com

Justice Dept. Explores Using Criminal Charges Against Election Officials

 

[JDCrimson]

The Dems were going to carry California anyway. She added no strategic value to the ticket whatsoever. She was a liability in fact based on her poor candidacy in 2020.

What I dont understand is if the Dems want to attract swing voters, independents, and those wanting the off ramp from Trumpism, why not use the VP pick for a Democrat in a red state signal we are more centrist than Republicans? Let the VP candidate get on the road and talk about the kitchen table issues that affect everybody while leaving the Presidential candidate the flexibility to court progressives and minorities? Essentially do what Obama did...

I'll defend Biden on this one point: Harris was like one of those bands that comes out of nowhere and has a blockbuster hit song as an opening act...and then can't follow it up with another. It was NOT unreasonable in 2020 to believe that "you know, with a little polishing, a little work, a little exposure to the big issues in DC, she has potential."

I think the problem in his case doing that was when you're the oldest President already - and when you've had health issues - the bar for immediate ability to lead is raised substantially.