two men enter, two men leave

[blackumbrella]

from article:

Mr. Moore and MEL GIBSON, whose "Passion of the Christ" won for motion picture drama, are fans of each other's work. Asked if he had seen Mr. Gibson's film, Mr. Moore lighted up.

"I saw it twice," Mr. Moore said. "It's a very powerful film. I'm a practicing Catholic. My film might have been called 'The Compassion of the Christ,' though. The great thing about this country is the diversity of voices. When we limit the voices, we cease being a free society."

When Mr. Gibson walked to the press room lectern, he and Mr. Moore seemed delighted to meet each other.

"I feel a strange kinship with Michael," Mr. Gibson said. "They're trying to pit us against each other in the press, but it's a hologram. They really have got nothing to do with one another. It's just some kind of device, some left-right. He makes some salient points. There was some very expert, elliptical editing going on. However, what the hell are we doing in Iraq? No one can explain to me in a reasonable manner that I can accept why we're there, why we went there, and why we're still there."

buds

 

[blackumbrella]

"lighted up" ????????? The Passion of the Irregular Verb

 

[CBag4Bama]

Maybe he lit up a cigarette before he answered :conf3:

 

[Piglet]

Now that's funny! Fan's of each others' work? I can see what's happening next:

"THE PASSION OF AL GORE"--now that's going to be a short movie!

and

"TRIAL OF THE MILLENIUM"--at last, *proof* of the shady dealings between Caiaphas and Herod! Barrabas connected with the Republican Party! Torture in the Middle East! Where is the outrage?

 

[wisten]

From "lighted up" to Mr. Gibson saying that "it's a hologram..."

Suffice to say, very amusing.

 

[bandersnatch45]

"There was some very expert, elliptical editing going on."

That has got to be the most polite way I've ever heard someone call someone else a liar....

 

[blackumbrella]

"'The Compassion of the Christ"

and that's a nifty way of saying 'your film is half-a$$'

 

[CrimsonNan]

From Jack Daniels Thread:

You missed the boat umbrella - JT beat you to it. Maybe next time you should scroll down and make sure that no one else has already posted an article

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Mel Gibson on Michael Moore
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Originally Posted by Displaced Bama Fan
I don't know how Mel stomached being in the room with them all.

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JT's response:

I ran across this article in the NYTimes. Since I understand that many of you have religious and/or philosophic objections to reading the NYTimes , here's the relevant passage, in which Mel Gibson is questioned at the People's Choice Awards regarding Michael Moore:
Quote:
Another surprise: Mr. Moore and MEL GIBSON, whose "Passion of the Christ" won for motion picture drama, are fans of each other's work. Asked if he had seen Mr. Gibson's film, Mr. Moore lighted up.

"I saw it twice," Mr. Moore said. "It's a very powerful film. I'm a practicing Catholic. My film might have been called 'The Compassion of the Christ,' though. The great thing about this country is the diversity of voices. When we limit the voices, we cease being a free society."

When Mr. Gibson walked to the press room lectern, he and Mr. Moore seemed delighted to meet each other.

"I feel a strange kinship with Michael," Mr. Gibson said. "They're trying to pit us against each other in the press, but it's a hologram. They really have got nothing to do with one another. It's just some kind of device, some left-right. He makes some salient points. There was some very expert, elliptical editing going on. However, what the hell are we doing in Iraq? No one can explain to me in a reasonable manner that I can accept why we're there, why we went there, and why we're still there."
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Everyday I see the light of the world in my daughter's eyes.

And that is a wondrous gift.

 

[bandersnatch45]

"'The Compassion of the Christ"

and that's a nifty way of saying 'your film is half-a$$'

It's also a nifty way for Moore to reveal that he has No idea what the film he saw twice was about.

 

[blackumbrella]

It's also a nifty way for Moore to reveal that he has No idea what the film he saw twice was about.

i don't see it that way. i think he's saying the passion is the most compassionate of christ's gifts to the world, but not by any means his only act of compassion. moore's saying he would've made a more complete depiction of christ's compassion.

 

[NOSty]

i don't see it that way. i think he's saying the passion is the most compassionate of christ's gifts to the world, but not by any means his only act of compassion. moore's saying he would've made a more complete depiction of christ's compassion.

Problem is, passion isn't compassionate. Were the Roman soldiers being compassionate or passionate when they used those whips on Jesus? Was Saddam being passionate or compassionate when he killed all those Kurds?

Compassionate is totally different from Passion. When someone is passionate they are usually animated, vigorous, rambuctious, ready to go...When someone is compassionate they are usually soft, nurturing, low-keyed, idle, etc...

Mr Moore either didn't understood Mel Gibson's movie or he did and he's using "passion" to get his point across instead of cold hard facts that are relevant.

 

[CBag4Bama]

moore's saying he would've made a more complete depiction of christ's compassion.

Well he doesn't actually say that. He's actually just saying he would've named it different.

 

[wisten]

i don't see it that way. i think he's saying the passion is the most compassionate of christ's gifts to the world, but not by any means his only act of compassion. moore's saying he would've made a more complete depiction of christ's compassion.

I sincerely doubt that Mr. Moore could provide a more complete depiction. Mr. Moore was entralled to be in the presence of Mr. Gibson, and he gushed words like a teenage girl talking about the cute guy at the Winn-Dixie.

Mr. Moore does have a sharp mind, but he is too focused on himself.

A challenge: Have you ever been in a situation in which you wished, begged, prayed that it would stop? From a hurricane pulling walls off of your house, to a tornado dropping it all on you as you try to cover the ones you love with your own flesh, a freak tow as you watch someone swim frantically to the beach then become exhausted? Maybe just a car crash, or a random bullet fired into the base of your supervisor's brain as she was leaving the bank after making the deposit in the night box.

Mr. Moore may have a clue, but he certainly has no idea.

 

[CrimsonNan]

The picture "The Passion of Christ" has nothing whatsoever to do with "compassion". The picture was about the suffering of Christ duriing his last days. That's what the PASSION means.

Mel Gibson's picture was depicting Christ suffering - not his compassion to other people.

Michael Moore doesn't have a clue - but what else is new?

 

[blackumbrella]

of course, i'm guilty of putting words in moore's mouth. i see the passion, suffering in the place of others, as a very compassionate act. perhaps moore doesn't see it that way, i don't know. even if he sees christ's compassion as just the kindnesses and good deeds he exemplified, that would seem to make a fine film as well.

 

[CrimsonNan]

Umbrella said:

of course, i'm guilty of putting words in moore's mouth. i see the passion, suffering in the place of others, as a very compassionate act.

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You're correct, of course. His suffering for us was an act of compassion. I was just making the point that the picture was about his suffering (passion) for several days before his death.

 

[NOSty]

The picture "The Passion of Christ" has nothing whatsoever to do with "compassion". The picture was about the suffering of Christ duriing his last days. That's what the PASSION means.

Mel Gibson's picture was depicting Christ suffering - not his compassion to other people.

Michael Moore doesn't have a clue - but what else is new?

I don't see that...about the suffering being passion.

I saw Mary's passion, I saw Pontius Pilate's passion, I the passion of the crowds...I think you are selling the movie short.

 

[CrimsonNan]

I don't see that...about the suffering being passion.

I saw Mary's passion, I saw Pontius Pilate's passion, I the passion of the crowds...I think you are selling the movie short.

I'm not selling the movie short. That's what one of the meanings of the word "passion" is NOSty. Yes, his suffering was compassion for us, but Mel's movie focused on his suffering, hence "The Passion of Christ".

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One definition of passion:

From the Oxford dictionary:
Pain, agony, martyrdom

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NOSty, I'm not trying to argue with anyone about the movie, but I believe that was why Mel choose that title.

* (I'm having a hard time putting my feelings and thoughts into the correct words)

 

[NOSty]

A powerful emotion, such as love, joy, hatred, or anger.

Ardent love.
Strong sexual desire; lust.
The object of such love or desire.

Boundless enthusiasm: His skills as a player don't quite match his passion for the game.
The object of such enthusiasm: Soccer is her passion.
An abandoned display of emotion, especially of anger: He's been known to fly into a passion without warning.
Passion
The sufferings of Jesus in the period following the Last Supper and including the Crucifixion, as related in the New Testament.
A narrative, musical setting, or pictorial representation of Jesus's sufferings.
Archaic. Martyrdom.
Archaic. Passivity.

It appears that you are right...and so am I. This is from webster's...or dictionary.com. Really cool, eh? I never knew that Passion had a direct biblical representation...

 

[CrimsonNan]

Yes, I know. I did say ONE of the definitions. Anyway, Mel's picture was designed to depict Christ's suffering. Of course I don't discount his compassion.