UF has to fire Muschamp now right?

[RTR91]

Reasons Georgia Southern shouldn't have won (other than the huge obvious one):
3 turnovers
2 missed PATs
0 completions
19 of 65 scholarship players not present

 

[mikes12]

I have it on good authority that the REC is making sure that Florida does not rebuild until after our rotation with them. So Muschamp will stay. This is in keeping with making sure our schedule remains free from playing any of the good teams from the other division. Just make sure we keep it between us, ok? If LSU gets wind, they'll go ape.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Yah, while Muschamp inherited some issues, here's what he got:
Gators recruiting:
2008: 3rd
2009: 11th
2010: 2nd

For comparison's sake, here's what CNS inherited at Bama:
Alabama recruiting:
2004: 24th
2005: 18th
2006: 11th

No comparison - Saban's rebuilding job was far more difficult, even with UFs troubles...

 

[JIB]

You can't just go by recruiting rankings. Meyer created a pretty dysfunctional atmosphere. Shula was fairly permissive, but Meyer seemed to allow just about anything.

Looking at Bama's 2006 class it was great. It included Rolando, Vlachos, Marquis Maze, Josh Chapman, Kareem Jackson and fan favorite Nick Gentry.

Florida's 2010 class had some defensive studs but nobody that was any good on offense.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

And don't forget Saban inherited a team coming off a crippling five-year probation.

Muschamp didn't.

And btw - Mike Bianchi (resident pervert) is reporting Muschamp will be back next year.

 

[bamabryan]

You can't just go by recruiting rankings. Meyer created a pretty dysfunctional atmosphere. Shula was fairly permissive, but Meyer seemed to allow just about anything.

Looking at Bama's 2006 class it was great. It included Rolando, Vlachos, Marquis Maze, Josh Chapman, Kareem Jackson and fan favorite Nick Gentry.

This was the 2007 signing class. Saban got Maze, Chapman and Jackson. Shula didn't even want Maze. Maze was headed to Michigan or Tennessee until Saban entered the picture. Jackson was committed to Vanderbilt and Chapman was headed to Auburn and Saban flipped them both. Also we were in a very I will call it "messed up" situation under Shula. There were things going on in our football program that I'm not sure I can even talk about here on Tide Fans. Saban inherited a terrible situation and had to clean house. Also we were just coming off probabtion. JMO but I think Muschamp clearly walked into a better situation than CNS.

 

[JIB]

This was the 2007 signing class. Saban got Maze, Chapman and Jackson. Shula didn't even want Maze. Maze was headed to Michigan or Tennessee until Saban entered the picture. Jackson was committed to Vanderbilt and Chapman was headed to Auburn and Saban flipped them both. Also we were in a very I will call it "messed up" situation under Shula. There were things going on in our football program that I'm not sure I can even talk about here on Tide Fans. Saban inherited a terrible situation and had to clean house. Also we were just coming off probabtion. JMO but I think Muschamp clearly walked into a better situation than CNS.

Youre right. I searched for the 2006 class and then didn't check. Duh.

i still think Saban had a better situation. Shula never recruited and coddled any future serial murderers.

 

[crimsonaudio]

You can't just go by recruiting rankings. Meyer created a pretty dysfunctional atmosphere. Shula was fairly permissive, but Meyer seemed to allow just about anything.

I never said I was 'just going by recruiting rankings', but there's zero question that Muschamp inherited far more talent than CNS. In CNS's first season, Alabama had ZERO players drafted into the NFL. In Muschamp's first season, he had EIGHT.

And while Meyer left a dysfunctional mess, Shula didn't exactly leave a finely-tuned machine. Ice cream anyone?

Say what you want, but Muschamp stepped into a better situation and has failed miserably...

 

[JIB]

Agree to disagree.

 

[Catfish]

That's hysterical. I'd love to see the video of that play.

 

[JIB]

In CNS's first season, Alabama had ZERO players drafted into the NFL. In Muschamp's first season, he had EIGHT.

You're mistaken about Muschamp's first year, he had 2 guys drafted in 2012 - a 4th and 5th rounder.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Youre right. I searched for the 2006 class and then didn't check. Duh.

i still think Saban had a better situation. Shula never recruited and coddled any future serial murderers.

So if a member of the 2003-2006 teams commits a murder (which could still happen) its somehow Shula's fault?

Great. Did the rest of you know John McKay is to blame for the butcher of Brentwood?

There's no agree to disagree here. Unless one irrationally believes walking into a state eight times the size of the other to a team coming off 2 national titles in the previous five years in the weaker SEC division is somehow worse than being the sixth coach in 11 years on a team serving a devastating probation that had losing seasons 5 years out of ten - this is not even debatable.

So Aaron Hernandez later went and killed folks. Should we blame Bill McCartney for Rae Carruth? Maybe we can blame Jimmy Johns on Shula (or Saban).

Think how bad a situation Muschamp would inherit in Austin had he waited.

 

[crimsonaudio]

You're mistaken about Muschamp's first year, he had 2 guys drafted in 2012 - a 4th and 5th rounder.

Fine, I'm not SelmaBornTideFan, but it still shows NFL talent being present and developed that didn't exist in CNS's first year.

Muschamp sucks as a HC. Maybe someday he'll be good, but he lost to GaSouthern in year three. That's proof positive.

 

[bamabryan]

Muschamp sucks as a HC. Maybe someday he'll be good, but he lost to GaSouthern in year three. That's proof positive.

I agree. This is what I've been saying about Muschamp since Florida hired him. I think by the time he's done there the Gators will be wishing for the days of Ron Zook again. Muschamp is horrible as a HC.

 

[JIB]

While I agree the extent to which Meyer poisoned the Florida program has never been fully explored, particularly by the media, claiming Muschamp inherited a worse situation than Shula borders on madness.

Saying Saban isn't as good as Shula would be madness, saying Florida in 2011 wasn't as good as Bama circa 2007 is just a difference of opinion.

 

[bamachile]

JIB, brother, when you hit bedrock, drill elsewhere...

 

[JIB]

JIB, brother, when you hit bedrock, drill elsewhere...

Well heck, I'm gonna have to be obstinate now. I really don't feel all that strongly but it seems some folks refuse to even entertain the idea. Even when it comes to being terrible Bama fans have to be #1!

 

[crimsonaudio]

Well heck, I'm gonna have to be obstinate now. I really don't feel all that strongly but it seems some folks refuse to even entertain the idea. Even when it comes to being terrible Bama fans have to be #1!

No, we've entertained the idea and explained why you're wrong. You just keep saying "nuh-uh" whilst claiming to be objective...

 

[graydogg85]

This, folks, is why Alabama needs to hire someone with experience rather than Kirby Smart when the time comes to replace CNS. I have never been a fan of guys with zero head coaching experience stepping into high-profile BCS jobs. When it works out, it's the exception rather than the rule.

 

[crimsonaudio]

This, folks, is why Alabama needs to hire someone with experience rather than Kirby Smart when the time comes to replace CNS. I have never been a fan of guys with zero head coaching experience stepping into high-profile BCS jobs. When it works out, it's the exception rather than the rule.

There's a way it could work in our situation, but it would be unique. You have to remember that CNS has stated that he supports a HCIW if it's handled properly...