Venables and Sign Stealing

[75thru79]

I know that Venables and his "staff" pretty much invented sign stealing when he was at Clemson. Does anyone know if he is still doing that? Do we (Alabama) have anything to worry about in that regard?

 

[Isaiah 63:1]

I know that Venables and his "staff" pretty much invented sign stealing when he was at Clemson. Does anyone know if he is still doing that?

Apparently, yes.

Tuscaloosa News: Alabama football changing offensive signals to prevent Oklahoma sign-stealing

Do we (Alabama) have anything to worry about in that regard?

Not really. Per Ryan Grubb: "[The Sooners are] good at that, No. 1. And No. 2, we're changing everything. So if coach Venables is listening, just know they're all changing," Grubb said with a laugh. "They do everything within the parameters of the game, though. There's nothing illegal about what they do [emphasis added]. They're good at what they do, so you certainly have to take that into consideration."

 

[Tidewater]

I know that Venables and his "staff" pretty much invented sign stealing when he was at Clemson. Does anyone know if he is still doing that? Do we (Alabama) have anything to worry about in that regard?

I thought that was the reason behind the radio receivers in certain helmets.

 

[bamajas]

I thought that was the reason behind the radio receivers in certain helmets.

I thought it was supposed to stop it, too. But I guess it's still quicker to use signs so the whole team can see it simultaneously and not depend upon the QB and huddling

During the OU-Ole Miss game, they made it a point to show how Ole Miss would wait until after the 15 sec mark (when the comms cut off) to break the huddle so OU couldn't tell their mic'd guy the adjustments to make

 

[RammerJammer14]

I thought it was supposed to stop it, too. But I guess it's still quicker to use signs so the whole team can see it simultaneously and not depend upon the QB and huddling

During the OU-Ole Miss game, they made it a point to show how Ole Miss would wait until after the 15 sec mark (when the comms cut off) to break the huddle so OU couldn't tell their mic'd guy the adjustments to make

When they said that, it made me wonder if one reason we have been changing the play so late at the line, under 15sec a lot of times, is because of that cutoff.

 

[CoolBreeze]

Seems to me there would be an opportunity here. Throw up deceptive signs at certain points of the game to put points on the board. But I'm not a ball coach so....

 

[jashleyren2]

I think about it from the context of the third base coach in baseball.

Some of those guys giving a runner on 1st or 2nd are throwing body and hand gestures all over the place, with most of it having no meaning at all. Just randomly throwing signals that may mean something, but really mean nothing.

I'm sure some of that goes on football sidelines as well. Use the radio in the QB's helmet.

 

[CoolBreeze]

I think about it from the context of the third base coach in baseball.

Some of those guys giving a runner on 1st or 2nd are throwing body and hand gestures all over the place, with most of it having no meaning at all. Just randomly throwing signals that may mean something, but really mean nothing.

I'm sure some of that goes on football sidelines as well. Use the radio in the QB's helmet.

Yep, seems to me you could use the exact same signs every week but have a couple of water boys/girls with either hands on their hips, crossed arms, picking their nose or some sign directing the play to proceed/do the opposite on every down. Change the true sign giver on every series.

 

[Tug Tide]

Almost all teams now use 2-4 sign signalers standing next to each other in different color shirts.
I don’t know if teams switch who is live or a decoy each series or quarter by quarter.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Per Ryan Grubb: "[The Sooners are] good at that, No. 1. And No. 2, we're changing everything. So if coach Venables is listening, just know they're all changing," Grubb said with a laugh. "They do everything within the parameters of the game, though. There's nothing illegal about what they do [emphasis added]. They're good at what they do, so you certainly have to take that into consideration."

 

[Marg]

Seems fitting to drop in this chat. One of my favorite stories. Leach was a character!

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1191539997651061

 

[Joefus]

I thought that was the reason behind the radio receivers in certain helmets.

Michigan and to a lesser extent bv

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

I know that Venables and his "staff" pretty much invented sign stealing when he was at Clemson. Does anyone know if he is still doing that? Do we (Alabama) have anything to worry about in that regard?

He absolutely still does it...

 

[Joefus]

Apparently, yes.

Tuscaloosa News: Alabama football changing offensive signals to prevent Oklahoma sign-stealing

Not really. Per Ryan Grubb: "[The Sooners are] good at that, No. 1. And No. 2, we're changing everything. So if coach Venables is listening, just know they're all changing," Grubb said with a laugh. "They do everything within the parameters of the game, though. There's nothing illegal about what they do [emphasis added]. They're good at what they do, so you certainly have to take that into consideration."

Michigan only got caught bc they were incredibly sloppy and already had ncaa investigators on campus for other inquiries. Bv invented sending people to games to pre scout teams. It’s fact they had a guy at our sec championship and first round games the year they blew us out.

 

[RammerJammer14]

Michigan only got caught bc they were incredibly sloppy and already had ncaa investigators on campus for other inquiries. Bv invented sending people to games to pre scout teams. It’s fact they had a guy at our sec championship and first round games the year they blew us out.

“Just really good scouting!”

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

I know that Venables and his "staff" pretty much invented sign stealing when he was at Clemson. Does anyone know if he is still doing that? Do we (Alabama) have anything to worry about in that regard?

awbern is a master at this as well...

 

[Joefus]

awbern is a master at this as well...

Does anyone remember the conspiracy theory that they would listen in on opponents headsets? Always seemed far fetched but they did seem to always know what we were up to haha

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

Does anyone remember the conspiracy theory that they would listen in on opponents headsets? Always seemed far fetched but they did seem to always know what we were up to haha

IIRC, one of the manufacturers/suppliers was based in the awbern area...