Was Torbush really considered?

[PlayerUA]

I love how some of you vilify Carl Torbush - who is nothing but a great person who genuinely loved Alabama and who was heartbroken at leaving. Nevermind Fraud's "It's now or never" ultimatum about the aTm DC spot.

As TommyMac and several others have very correctly pointed out...Carl Torbush is in the unenviable position of trying to sell a system to players who absolutely do not believe it. That isnt because the system doesn't work...it worked at UNC and Alabama - it is because the players don't trust the man trying to sell it to them.

Carl Torbush is getting a bum rap and I hope like heck he lands on his feet somewhere.

 

[Bryant Disciple]

Mal wanted a Bama guy and nothing else.

Errr, Mal hired a Washington State guy.

I never favored Torbush (or, for that matter, DuBose either). He made a mess of things in North Carolina.

I will admit that Shula was not high on my list due to his lack of head coaching experience.

We suffered a couple of lousy seasons to get to this point, but now it appears Alabama's set for the long term. Mike Shula loves Alabama . . . and the feeling is mutual. :biggrin:

 

[POWERLINEMAN42]

. Mike Shula loves Alabama . . . and the feeling is mutual. :biggrin:

It feels good to finally have a stable coach with high morals :biggrin: After the mess this college has been through it feels great!

 

[RamJam]

There's a couple of bulls-eye posts here that are right on the mark : PlayerUA, TerryP, TommyMac, TiderInMiss, Bama94, & a couple others...

ANYWAY- Torbush was not to be considered for HC at any time on Mal's agenda - and he couldn't be promised the DC, because when a NEW HC is hired, that man is the one to decide who gets all the staff positions (& lots of times they ARRIVE with their choces) .

NONE of Fran's staff had a CHOICE! If they wanted to keep on paying their kids' college tuitions & the home mortage, & other necessary things like EATING, etc - they HAD to go to A/M to receive a paycheck. They, like someone said, were in the wrong place at the wrong time, and well, they still are, and isn't it a SHAME that one man has messed up so many people's (& families) lives because of his greed, ego, and twisted sense of what success & happiness is all about...

Carl's a good guy & would be a great DC if he did work with players who respected the HC & staff.

 

[TideNL'ville]

Mal wanted a Bama guy and nothing else.

And so he got Price?

 

[CapstoneTider]

great person who genuinely loved Alabama and who was heartbroken at leaving.

If he "Genuinly loved the University" and was "heartbroken in leaving" he would not have followed Fran to A&M(you don't follow someone that harms something you genuinly love) . He could have easily found another DC position. Anyway I understand you are exagerting because neither you or I know Torbush personally.

I am not trying to judge him on what kind of person he is, how much he loved Alabama and how heartbroken he was in leaving, just the commentary that the Aggies have been beaten by 21 or more points by every team in the league minus two. He doesn't seem to make good half-time adjustments, the players arm tackle and play too far off the ball. I am not suggesting that it's all his fault but to deny him any responsibility it plain bias I mean, come on
it's not all black and white :wink:



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[TerryP]

If he "Genuinly loved the University" and was "heartbroken in leaving" he would not have followed Fran to A&M(you don't follow someone that harms something you genuinly love) . He could have easily found another DC position. Anyway I understand you are exagerting because neither you or I know Torbush personally.

The man needed a job. You take what's offered if you are in the same position he was. I wouldn't have minded if he stayed, neither would the players. But, you have to take care of your family...

 

[PlayerUA]

If he "Genuinly loved the University" and was "heartbroken in leaving" he would not have followed Fran to A&M(you don't follow someone that harms something you genuinly love) . He could have easily found another DC position. Anyway I understand you are exagerting because neither you or I know Torbush personally.

First, don't presume to tell me whether I do or do not know someone.

Next, would you rather he pan-handled jobless on the corner of 15th and McFarland to prove his love of UA to you? I'm sure his family thought that was clearly the most well-thoughtout and rational decision.

 

[Redwood Forrest]

I didn't want CT for one simple reason: I didn't think he would make a good HC. I don't blame him for trying and I don't blame him for leaving.

 

[RamJam]

Good Grief - these guys just don't "easily get another whatever-job" in this business...

And NONE of those guys CHOSE to leave Alabama!!!!!!!!
They HAD NO CHOICE!!!
There's this little thing called BILLS and family to support...

 

[CapstoneTider]

First, don't presume to tell me whether I do or do not know someone.

I am so sorry I thought for a moment that you were not a personal friend of Torbush, you know, like you were just declaring his deep and unresolved love for Alabama and that pain and anguish he felt when following Fran to A&M. Those 10 or so other defensive coordinator positions that he probably would have not stood a chance at wouldn't have been that impressed with Bama's top five defense anyway. He would have ended up on a street corner just like you said. :biggrin:

Try not to take my comments so personally, Thank You. :tongue:

 

[deliveryman35]

Living in Tuscaloosa, I had the opportunity to deal w/ Coach Torbush and his wife directly where I work. I can assure you that he and his family did not want to leave here and that what Terry said is basically true--if he wanted to continue with good, 6-digit income employment, he had no choice to but to follow Fran to College Station. Everyone around here I think knows he was never in serious consideration for the HC job....

 

[CapstoneTider]

Good Grief - these guys just don't "easily get another whatever-job" in this business...

And NONE of those guys CHOSE to leave Alabama!!!!!!!!
They HAD NO CHOICE!!!
There's this little thing called BILLS and family to support...

Why has Torbush been elevated to Can Do No Wrong on Tidefans? There's only a handfull of people that when critising results in a barage of panties in a wad and insults to the poster. Torbush does not deserve this IMHO.

He doesn't deserve the other postion of Can Do No Right on Tidefans either, there again only a handfull of people like Fulmer, fRAN, Finebaum and other fine members of the media.

Torbush should be one of those people were you can give an honest opinion good or bad without stirring up a hornets nest. I believe his actions after Fran's departure were honorable but overrated considering there was possible something in it for him, the HC job. As soon as it became clear he wasnt going to get the job he was gone like a streak of lightning to Mama Fran.

I do find him to be a quality person and a good defensive coordinator. No Brother Bill though.

 

[deliveryman35]

Why has Torbush been elevated to Can Do No Wrong on Tidefans? There's only a handfull of people that when critising results in a barage of panties in a wad and insults to the poster. Torbush does not deserve this IMHO.

He doesn't deserve the other postion of Can Do No Right on Tidefans either, there again only a handfull of people like Fulmer, fRAN, Finebaum and other fine members of the media.

Torbush should be one of those people were you can give an honest opinion good or bad without stirring up a hornets nest. I believe his actions after Fran's departure were honorable but overrated considering there was possible something in it for him, the HC job. As soon as it became clear he wasnt going to get the job he was gone like a streak of lightning to Mama Fran.

I do find him to be a quality person and a good defensive coordinator. No Brother Bill though.

A fair assessment, imo. But he did what most any of us would have done--he made the best financial decision for himself and his family. All i am saying is don't criticize him for that, just like I would not criticize Coach Pollard for going there after Coach Shula fired him....

 

[bayoutider]

Why has Torbush been elevated to Can Do No Wrong on Tidefans? There's only a handfull of people that when critising results in a barage of panties in a wad and insults to the poster. Torbush does not deserve this IMHO.

He doesn't deserve the other postion of Can Do No Right on Tidefans either, there again only a handfull of people like Fulmer, fRAN, Finebaum and other fine members of the media.

Torbush should be one of those people were you can give an honest opinion good or bad without stirring up a hornets nest. I believe his actions after Fran's departure were honorable but overrated considering there was possible something in it for him, the HC job. As soon as it became clear he wasnt going to get the job he was gone like a streak of lightning to Mama Fran.

I do find him to be a quality person and a good defensive coordinator. No Brother Bill though.

To the best of my memory, Torbush waited till the last minute to bolt to aTm. I recall Fran sent him the message he had by such and such a date to report or he would be out of a job.

 

[CapstoneTider]

deliveryman35,

Fair enough, and again I have nuetral feelings about Torbush. The thread post was just reaction to defenses I've seen at Texas A&M this year and the job that I see him doing with the defense, not anything personal. Wasn't he one of four candidates being mentioned by the media? That is not not being considered.

And I don't have any hard feelings about him taking a position with Fran. It may have appreared that way but I was dupped as always by an extreme position that I was trying to nuetralize.

Your posts make sense as usual with a level headed perspective.

 

[TommyMac]

You can't hold it against a man for taking care of his family. Too bad that everyone isn't willing to assume that responsibility, it'd sure reduce the welfare rolls.

 

[RamJam]

Hey Capstone (spoken in peace) : I really don't think anyone posting on this was taking anything much personal - mostly just tyring to make their points - whether or not they think the job Torbush could do is great or not. The thing is, is that he did hang on as long as he oculd to see if he could possibly get this HC here & once it was obvious that it was just NOT going to happen & then Fran gave him an ultimatum - (& there's that little ole thing of supporting your family0 - well, you know the rest.

Gosh - I feel so sorry for those guys out in C/S - whether they're good coaches or NOT - they're STUCK out there & now even associated with Fran's name. Very bad for them. Really sad. They didnt' want to go (other than the 2 we all know) & it's a crying shame.

ANYWHOOOOO, I don't THINK anyone was on your case - just trying to say that Carl didn't just bolt or whatever, whether we think he would have been a good HC or not. That goes for the other coaches on Fran's staff too.

 

[CapstoneTider]

O.k

Anyway, I do feel sorry for his coaching staff. I bet more than one regretted the move in the first place :cool2: They had it made at Bama.

 

[BamaZone]

Torbush will be Thrown Under the Bus in College Station!.... his professional college football career is over, thanks to fRan!