What if Manziel were to win the Heisman again, wonder if he would be

[crimsonaudio]

i thought that his behavior and his actions leading up to, during, and after the Bama game were exemplary. He displayed nothing but class. He was sorely disappointed that they lost to Alabama, but gave us our props. He also showed leadership by pointing out that Bama won the NC after their loss to A&M last year, that he and his teammates have a lot to play for, and that they need to suck it up and move forward.

All that's great. For the record, there are almost 200 players between the two teams that also handled it with class.

What's amazing is that he actually handled a 'volatile' situation in a somewhat mature manner.

I think his actions and his attitude since the Manning camp incident indicate that he is growing up. And no, reaching 20 years does not make you a man. It's a process, as Saban would say, that takes some men much longer to complete.

If someone is still a 'kid' at 20, there's a problem. You can make excuses all day, but 20 is not a kid. Or at least it shouldn't be. And while his parents have obviously failed (just read the interview), at some point he has to grow up and accept responsibility for his actions. Maybe we're finally seeing that happen, but at this point I'll believe it when a pattern emerges, not just an exception...

 

[B1GTide]

Don't believe this is true. He did take classes online for awhile because he was such a distraction in class. I don't believe that's true anymore. I've actually heard he is a good student and ahead of schedule to graduate. Dont believe everything you hear in the media.

Fair enough.

 

[GrayTide]

It's a team sport - there's no way one can simply value an individual's performance.

IIRC Paul Hornung won the 1956 Heisman on a 2-8 Notre Dame team.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

I totally disagree. IMO, the Heisman should go to the player who, through his individual effort, elevates a team to their best effort. To me, Archie Manning is the prototypical Heisman winner.

So your prototypical Heisman winner is a guy who didn't win the Heisman?

 

[SCrammerjammer]

I like that our QB had a higher performance rating in the same game in a most hostile environment and did not make individual player performance mistakes that caused the team to lose the game. EVEN with a 14 point deficit, Our QB scored at will and controlled the clock at will the majority of the game. Had it not been for another players fumble, who knows what the margin of victory could have been. Instead he took a dramatic misfortune in the heat of adversity and...well, he carved the home team up and scored again right in the grasp of their delirious rabid fans.

It's just my bias, but not without great awe at another really good QB.

 

[Crimson-Blitz]

All that's great. For the record, there are almost 200 players between the two teams that also handled it with class.

What's amazing is that he actually handled a 'volatile' situation in a somewhat mature manner.


If someone is still a 'kid' at 20, there's a problem. You can make excuses all day, but 20 is not a kid. Or at least it shouldn't be. And while his parents have obviously failed (just read the interview), at some point he has to grow up and accept responsibility for his actions. Maybe we're finally seeing that happen, but at this point I'll believe it when a pattern emerges, not just an exception...

Okay. So let's call him a "young man" since you want to pick apart my posts. I work with "young men" in their late teens to early twenties. Their maturity level varies, but most of them aren't ready to take on marriage, fatherhood, etc, at that age.

Manziel is no different than Namath or Stabler at that age.

 

[Crimson-Blitz]

So your prototypical Heisman winner is a guy who didn't win the Heisman?

Brain f@rt. I forgot that Archie got jobbed.

Pat Sullivan comes to mind.

 

[Chukker Veteran]

"The Heisman Memorial Trophy annually recognizes the outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity. Winners epitomize great ability combined with diligence, perseverance, and hard work.

The same guy that says with a straight face that he never took money for an autograph is in contention for an award based on integrity? I guess I'm missing something here, because that leaves me a little confused.

If Bama runs the table, I would think AJ would be a lock. They look for someone who has been successful "in the pursuit of excellence." I would argue the ultimate measure of excellence is if you win everything and all the time. How could the team leader, the quarterback do any better?

I also think the mental sharpness to recognize, develop and use the talent around you also promotes the end goal, winning. Who is more effective, a ball hog who wants to do it all himself or someone that best contributes to the win by running the show but also by sharing the load? We saw the answer last Saturday.

 

[TooFullOfBama]

I don't think he will win another one simply because he has represented it so poorly. I also think his actions may prevent another freshman from winning it for a very long time.

Yepper dat. The boy has exquisite talent as well as a very poor moral compass and very little character. The Heisman voters, I think, take both into serious consideration when they vote. They need to protect the brand. After all, they tote around their own copy of the legendary trophy.

 

[crimsonaudio]

IIRC Paul Hornung won the 1956 Heisman on a 2-8 Notre Dame team.

Yah, but the Heisman is very different today than it was almost 60 years ago.

 

[Crimson Draw]

Not really, the Heisman isn't about a teams success. It's about individual accomplishments. RG3 won it with 3 losses. Here is a direct quote from the Heisman Trust...http://www.heisman.com/trust/mission_statement.php

"The Heisman Memorial Trophy annually recognizes the outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity. Winners epitomize great ability combined with diligence, perseverance, and hard work. The Heisman Trophy Trust ensures the continuation and integrity of this award. The Trust, furthermore, has a charitable mission to support amateur athletics and to provide greater opportunities to the youth of our country. Our goal through these charitable endeavors is for the Heisman Trophy to symbolize the fostering of a sense of community responsibility and service to our youth, especially those disadvantaged or afflicted. All assets of the Trust beyond the expense of maintaining the annual presentation of the Heisman Memorial Trophy are reserved for such charitable causes. The Trustees, who all serve pro bono, are guided by a devotion to college football and are committed to community service and the valued tradition which the Trophy represents."

Will he win it? He might, but I'd kind of doubt it. I don't think the Heisman voters think he represented it well and they might take into account the amateur part of their "Mission Statement" because of the autographs.

This sounds like Julio to me.

 

[Catfish]

IIRC Paul Hornung won the 1956 Heisman on a 2-8 Notre Dame team.

That was ridiculous for a lot of reasons beyond ND's record. Hornung had 3 TDs and 13 INTs passing. He rushed for 420 yards (4.5 YPC) and 6 TDs. Even in 1956, those numbers were average at best.

 

[GrayTide]

Yah, but the Heisman is very different today than it was almost 60 years ago.

The Heisman has been awarded 78 times. The Heisman winner was also on the NC team 13 times. In the modern era (1950-Present) that has happened 7 times and 6 times prior to 1950. How is it different except for more exposure.

 

[tidefan39817]

1st round - raiders

noooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[cuda.1973]

Some "experts" say he is "undraftable". Whatever.

Anyway:

http://www.foxsportssouthwest.com/s...consider-Manziel-u?blockID=941337&feedID=3742

 

[crimsonaudio]

Some "experts" say he is "undraftable". Whatever.

Anyway:

http://www.foxsportssouthwest.com/s...consider-Manziel-u?blockID=941337&feedID=3742

It's actually hard to say - he's a risk, no doubt. His accuracy is so high I think he can be molded into and NFL superstar, but who knows?

 

[Bamaboda1]

Re: What if Manziel were to win the Heisman again, wonder if he would be the same jackass he is today?

No...he would have a head the size of Rhode Island. He would be an unstoppable jackass, and eventually do something that even aTm and their $740MM couldn't get hushed-up.