What is the difference between this year's team and 2001-02?

[BigAL413]

That team won the SEC and was a No. 2 seed (It may have been 02-03, but the roster was essentially the same?)

If you compare the rosters, they are almost mirror images. Also, the SEC seemed just as down that year as well. Everyone has agreed that the SEC is down this year. So what gives?

Shoot first, young PG:
Mo Williams = Rico Pickett (Obviously, Mo was a tad better)

One dimensional shooting guard:
Ernest Shelton/Terrence Meade = Riley

Gifted, but often plagued with laziness, Small forward:
Rod Grizzard = Alonzo Gee

Role Playing Power Forward:
Kenny Walker = Jemison (Jemison is actually a more complete player with
his shooting ability)

All SEC Big Man:
Erwin Dudley = Richard Hendrix (Hendrix is far more dominant)

Look at the Benches:
Travis Stinnet = Hollinger
Demetrius Smith = Hillman
Lucky Williams = Torrance
Regie Rambo = Yamene Coleman

The only real advantage the 2001 Team had was Williams. It's driving me crazy, someone help....:eek2:



Just remembered that team led the SEC in FT shooting...that is probably one major reason

 

[JoeWilly12]

i think these teams are extremely similar personnel wise but not talent wise. at the pg spot williams was much better than whoever we have playing. i think shelton/meade were better on both ends than riley. they seemed to be a little more consistent and could play some defense. the riley grizzard comapirson is spot on. i think the the role playing power forward walker has the upper hand. and last hendrix is much more dominating presence than dudley. i think the 2001-2002 bench was over all better becuase they were good role players. we have players that come in and try to do too much. too many chiefs and not enough indians.

one stat on our free throws. we have lost our sec games by a total of 65 points. in those games we have missed 68 free throws. i know we can't make all of our free throws i would just like 65-70 percent. that would keep us in most games and give us a chance to win at the end instead of being down double digits late in the game.

 

[Hoot30]

Checking the stats from that year on rolltide.com, that team shot really well from the free throw line. As a team, they averaged .736 for the season as a team. In conference play, the team FT percentage was .758. Mo Williams shot .943 in conference play and .857 overall. Grizzard's FT percentage for the year .759. Dudley shot .678 from the FT line. I think FT shooting helped that team win a few close games.

I would disagree with the comparison between K. Walker and D. Jemison. Walker was much more productive offensively. He also was a somewhat decent shot blocker.

Mo Williams was a much better PG when comparing his assist-to-turnover ratio to the 3 that have played PG this year.

I also think the '02 team was much better defensively.

 

[jangalang]

That team won the SEC and was a No. 2 seed (It may have been 02-03, but the roster was essentially the same?)

If you compare the rosters, they are almost mirror images. Also, the SEC seemed just as down that year as well. Everyone has agreed that the SEC is down this year. So what gives?

Shoot first, young PG:
Mo Williams = Rico Pickett (Obviously, Mo was a tad better)

One dimensional shooting guard:
Ernest Shelton/Terrence Meade = Riley

Gifted, but often plagued with laziness, Small forward:
Rod Grizzard = Alonzo Gee

Role Playing Power Forward:
Kenny Walker = Jemison (Jemison is actually a more complete player with
his shooting ability)

All SEC Big Man:
Erwin Dudley = Richard Hendrix (Hendrix is far more dominant)

Look at the Benches:
Travis Stinnet = Hollinger
Demetrius Smith = Hillman
Lucky Williams = Torrance
Regie Rambo = Yamene Coleman

The only real advantage the 2001 Team had was Williams. It's driving me crazy, someone help....:eek2:



Just remembered that team led the SEC in FT shooting...that is probably one major reason

Interesting analysis. One thing I'd like to know is the difference in Opp. 3 Pt. %.

 

[beardensdaman44]

I disagree with the Hendrix being more dominant. Dudley could take games over. PERIOD. Hendrix, while very good, has yet to take over a game. Erwin could shoot free throws and could step outside and hit pretty much from anywhere inside the 3 point line. Hendrix is restricted to the block. JMHO

 

[Bama 3:16]

T.R. Dunn and Antoine Pettway

 

[day-day]

Well, comparing the roster and results between the 2001-02 team (12-4 in SEC) and the 2002-03 team (7-9 in SEC), it appears that Grizzard was the difference.:conf2:

 

[Hoot30]

T.R. Dunn and Antoine Pettway

Well, that explains a lot too.

 

[BigAL413]

T.R. Dunn and Antoine Pettway

If memory serves, Pettway didn't see the floor in 2001. Stinnet was the backup, Demetrius Smith, and Lucky Williams both played ahead of Pettway that year.....I think:conf2:


My memory was way off Pettway did play considerable time.

 

[BigAL413]

I disagree with the Hendrix being more dominant. Dudley could take games over. PERIOD. Hendrix, while very good, has yet to take over a game. Erwin could shoot free throws and could step outside and hit pretty much from anywhere inside the 3 point line. Hendrix is restricted to the block. JMHO

Dudley had the FT advantage, but Dudley averaged less points and rebounds than Hendrix this year.

 

[Hoot30]

My memory was way off Pettway did play considerable time.

Yep. In fact it was Pettway who scored the winning basket against UF to clinch the '02 SEC championship. And, there's a Daniel Moore print of it. :smile:

 

[BigAL413]

Yep. In fact it was Pettway who scored the winning basket against UF to clinch the '02 SEC championship. And, there's a Daniel Moore print of it. :smile:

I am ashamed to have forgotten:blush:

It still makes me mad everytime I turn on ESPN Classic and they are showing a classic college basketball game, and never once have I seen that game replayed - it's way better than all those Georgetown losses in the Tournament Finals

 

[beardensdaman44]

Dudley had the FT advantage, but Dudley averaged less points and rebounds than Hendrix this year.

True, but Dudley had many more scoring weapons, which this 07 team lacks. Hendrix for the most part has to carry this team on his back in one way or another every game. Erwin never had to do that. As for the rebounding, Erwin had Kenny SkyWalker to help out on that part of the game...Hendrix has Jemison but he nor Coleman is that big of a presence as KW.

 

[tidebanker]

I disagree with the Hendrix being more dominant. Dudley could take games over. PERIOD. Hendrix, while very good, has yet to take over a game. Erwin could shoot free throws and could step outside and hit pretty much from anywhere inside the 3 point line. Hendrix is restricted to the block. JMHO

I think for various reasons, we can't get RH the ball. Teams focus on him and dare the others to do something to make them change their gameplan.

 

[bamadoc94]

I think for various reasons, we can't get RH the ball. Teams focus on him and dare the others to do something to make them change their gameplan.

I agree. I also think that using the new improved (slimmer, faster) RH in more of a motion offense might help this. He could use that body to set some monster picks, and catch the ball more moving to the basket instead of always receiving the ball with his back to the bucket. I think this would allow him to still get his numbers, and create more quality opportunities for his teamates as well. He also seems like a pretty good passer so when d's collapse on him it would open a lot of guys up. I mean what do you do jump out at riley or drop down on RH rolling hard to the basket? Just my 2 cents

 

[rolltideas]

I agree. I also think that using the new improved (slimmer, faster) RH in more of a motion offense might help this. He could use that body to set some monster picks, and catch the ball more moving to the basket instead of always receiving the ball with his back to the bucket. I think this would allow him to still get his numbers, and create more quality opportunities for his teamates as well. He also seems like a pretty good passer so when d's collapse on him it would open a lot of guys up. I mean what do you do jump out at riley or drop down on RH rolling hard to the basket? Just my 2 cents

Well see, there you go wanting coaching...:biggrin:

 

[Tidetwin]

Chemistry and defense . . . as in the lack there of in 2008.

 

[lorange]

Chemistry and defense . . . as in the lack there of in 2008.

I agree. That team also had energy. This year we seem to never get the loose ball.

 

[CrimsonEyeshade]

Billy Beane had a great line in "Money Ball" when he was trying to wean the Oakland A's scouts from drafting only on physical gifts. "We're not selling jeans here."

This year we have a group Calvin Klein would love. Back then, we had far more basketball players -- less physical ability perhaps, but far more appreciation of what it took to be a team.

 

[Alasippi]

That team won the SEC and was a No. 2 seed (It may have been 02-03, but the roster was essentially the same?)

If you compare the rosters, they are almost mirror images. Also, the SEC seemed just as down that year as well. Everyone has agreed that the SEC is down this year. So what gives?

Shoot first, young PG:
Mo Williams = Rico Pickett (Obviously, Mo was a tad better)

One dimensional shooting guard:
Ernest Shelton/Terrence Meade = Riley

Gifted, but often plagued with laziness, Small forward:
Rod Grizzard = Alonzo Gee

Role Playing Power Forward:
Kenny Walker = Jemison (Jemison is actually a more complete player with
his shooting ability)

All SEC Big Man:
Erwin Dudley = Richard Hendrix (Hendrix is far more dominant)

Look at the Benches:
Travis Stinnet = Hollinger
Demetrius Smith = Hillman
Lucky Williams = Torrance
Regie Rambo = Yamene Coleman

The only real advantage the 2001 Team had was Williams. It's driving me crazy, someone help....:eek2:



Just remembered that team led the SEC in FT shooting...that is probably one major reason

I think the teams were very similar with one exception....point guard.
They had Mo.....we've got "no".
Put Mo on this team and it would make a huge difference...just as a healthy Steele would have.

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