What Realistic Changes Would You Make To The CFB Playoff?

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It's the offseason, so I thought I'd throw this out.

There's been a lot of quite justified criticism of the College Football Playoff. So if you were benevolent dictator what realistically achievable changes would you make?

I say "realistically achievable" in that I personally would prefer 8 teams. But due to the huge money involved, a reduction in size would never pass. So that's out.

Last year, I think the two biggest mistake were
1. Publishing the rankings too early.
2. An absurd seeding process

Wait to Publish Rankings
SMU got in only because they beat a then-undefeated Pitt. Previous to that, they were outside the Top 12. With the win, they vaulted into the Top 12. Problem is, Pitt never won another game. So the win was greatly devalued. They later beat another team (Duke, I think) that also didn't fare well after the game with SMU.

Problem is, by that time, the committee had painted themselves into a corner, keeping SMU ranked way too high for several weeks only because they were undefeated -- against a schedule of cupcakes.

IOW, by the time SMU lost to Clemson in the ACCCG, the committee couldn't exclude without admitting what Mr. Magoo could see: they'd been wrong for over a month and had passed up multiple chances to correct the mistake.

Seeding
Second major problem was seeding. Convoluted rules and some late season upsets ended up with Boise State sitting at an absurd #3 seed, complete with a bye and a guaranteed home quarterfinal game.

So my proposal is:
1. Wait until after the second game in November to publish rankings. This would have kept an undeserving SMU team out altogether.

2. Power 4 Conference Champions are guaranteed a spot in the playoff, but nothing beyond that -- no guaranteed seeding, no guaranteed byes, no nothing beyond a spot in the 12.

3. Seeding as determined by the old BCS ranking system -- which, by #1 above wouldn't be published until mid-November. Objectivity provided by computers, with humans providing the eye test. If a Power 4 Conference Champion is outside the Top 12, it replaces the #12 seed as determined by the BCS formula.

It would be unlikely, but if two Power 4 Conference Champions are out of the Top 12, they replace #s 11 and 12. If three, #s 10, 11 and 12. In the ridiculously improbable event that all four Power 4 champs are ranked outside the final BCS Top 12, they replace #s 9, 10, 11 and 12.

4. For a non-Power 4 team to get in, it would have to be ranked in the final BCS Top 12 and not get bumped by a Power 4 Champ ranked outside the BCS Top 12.

If this process had been in place in 2024, I think it would have precluded the problems we all saw.

What do you think? What changes would you make?
 
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SEC and Big 10 need to cherry pick what's left of the other lesser conferences.....get Miami, Clemson, Florida State etc.....then do their own thing.

Big 12 has no business being considered an automatic bid....nor should the ACC be considered.

Teams like Boise can go pound sound too. No one wants to see them in a playoff other than their own fans. They'll never win multiple playoff games.

Once that fiction happens....take the top 4 from the SEC and top 4 from the Big 10 and have a playoff.
 
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The #1-4 Seeds that receive byes should actually be the Top 4 teams in the country regardless if the are a Conf Champ.

Actually just get rid of the Conf Champ getting anything guaranteed.

I'm not sure how to word it but if a Conf Champ is actually ranked in the Top 12 then sure put them in but otherwise leave them out.

I'm close to saying just let a BCS computer rank the teams 1-12 and be done with it. Let that pick the field and then let the Humans manipulate seeding within reason after that.
 

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I would like to reduce it to eight teams, but that won't happen. So keep it at 12 or go up to 16 teams.

NO AUTOMATIC BIDS FOR CONFERENCE CHAMPS! In fact, eliminate conference championship games.

No committee, use a BCS computer ranking system.
 
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Coaches poll top twelve. The BS playoffs were sold as matching the best teams at the end of the season and like many other things, after they got what they wanted the criteria changed to conference champions and protecting the conference championship game. Conference championship games should be weighted like any other game and if they’re deemed to be a problem by the conferences, get rid of them.
 
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Since we are heading toward 16 I would have a 16 team playoff. I would eliminate the conference championships and take the top 2 from the Big Four. I would allow a spot for Notre Dame with a minimum record and minimum ranking but they would not be given a top 8 seeding spot because of their nonconference affiliation and weak schedule.

The other 7-8 slots would go to Non-4 and 3 tier Big 4 teams. And the NC would be played on a Saturday no Monday.
 

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It's the offseason, so I thought I'd throw this out.

There's been a lot of quite justified criticism of the College Football Playoff. So if you were benevolent dictator what realistically achievable changes would you make?

I say "realistically achievable" in that I personally would prefer 8 teams. But due to the huge money involved, a reduction in size would never pass. So that's out.

Last year, I think the two biggest mistake were
1. Publishing the rankings too early.
2. An absurd seeding process

Wait to Publish Rankings
SMU got in only because they beat a then-undefeated Pitt. Previous to that, they were outside the Top 12. With the win, they vaulted into the Top 12. Problem is, Pitt never won another game. So the win was greatly devalued. They later beat another team (Duke, I think) that also didn't fare well after the game with SMU.

Problem is, by that time, the committee had painted themselves into a corner, keeping SMU ranked way too high for several weeks only because they were undefeated -- against a schedule of cupcakes.

IOW, by the time SMU lost to Clemson in the ACCCG, the committee couldn't exclude without admitting what Mr. Magoo could see: they'd been wrong for over a month and had passed up multiple chances to correct the mistake.

Seeding
Second major problem was seeding. Convoluted rules and some late season upsets ended up with Boise State sitting at an absurd #3 seed, complete with a bye and a guaranteed home quarterfinal game.

So my proposal is:
1. Wait until after the second game in November to publish rankings. This would have kept an undeserving SMU team out altogether.

2. Power 4 Conference Champions are guaranteed a spot in the playoff, but nothing beyond that -- no guaranteed seeding, no guaranteed byes, no nothing beyond a spot in the 12.

3. Seeding as determined by the old BCS ranking system -- which, by #1 above wouldn't be published until mid-November. Objectivity provided by computers, with humans providing the eye test. If a Power 4 Conference Champion is outside the Top 12, it replaces the #12 seed as determined by the BCS formula.

It would be unlikely, but if two Power 4 Conference Champions are out of the Top 12, they replace #s 11 and 12. If three, #s 10, 11 and 12. In the ridiculously improbable event that all four Power 4 champs are ranked outside the final BCS Top 12, they replace #s 9, 10, 11 and 12.

4. For a non-Power 4 team to get in, it would have to be ranked in the final BCS Top 12 and not get bumped by a Power 4 Champ ranked outside the BCS Top 12.

If this process had been in place in 2024, I think it would have precluded the problems we all saw.

What do you think? What changes would you make?
The first question everyone needs to be consistent on (no reflection on you, 4BQ) is this:
you EITHER have automatic bids OR you have SOMEONE SOMEWHERE VOTING THEIR OPINION at some stage of the game. Yes, even the BCS.

Before anyone answers your question, they need to decide where they stand on that one question.

Because one's argument is either:
a) it's not fair that 3-loss Clemson gets in over us just because of conf champs
b) it's not fair that 1-loss team we killed head-to-head is ranked ahead of us
c) it's not fair that team with fewer losses played an EASIER SCHEDULE than us
 

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1. Teams ranked 1-4 on Selection Sunday get the byes, not conference champions.
2. Eliminate conference championship games.
3. Possibly reseed teams after each round. ( I don't want to see a game like Ohio State-Oregon being played when it was and I also don't want a team like Penn State get such an easy path to the semifinal.) It's possible though that this situation may not happen again if teams are seeded correctly from the start.
 
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1. Teams ranked 1-4 on Selection Sunday get the byes, not conference champions.
2. Eliminate conference championship games.
3. Possibly reseed teams after each round. ( I don't want to see a game like Ohio State-Oregon being played when it was and I also don't want a team like Penn State get such an easy path to the semifinal.) It's possible though that this situation may not happen again if teams are seeded correctly from the start.
That was the worst part of the whole selection.

ASU played well and represented themselves well but they still should not have had a 1st round Bye.

BSU got hammered and had no business getting a bye. I think they should have been in the field somewhere but not with a bye.

That also caused a lot of trickle down reshuffling where teams who deserved to be higher were forced to play in the opening round.
 

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I agree with alot of these thoughts. Maybe somebody is listening!

But I will say it was great to have meaningful football games in December. It was just hard that Bama wasn't a part of it. I fully expect CKD to get this ship turned this year!
 
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I like the BCS formula. Had both subjective opinion (the polls) and objective computers. So I don't see where subjectivity vs. objectivity is an either/or thing.

I do think there's a core question you have to ask yourself, but I think it's different from the one selma puts forward.

That question is, "Should conference championships matter in either the selection or seeding of the CFB playoff?" Then, if you answer yes, there's a followup: How much?

Some say it should matter. Others say it shouldn't. I think they should, but there are legitimate points on both sides.
 

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I would rather it be 6-8 teams but since we are where we are leave it at 12, nothing is guaranteed, the top 4 to get a bye should be the top 4 teams.

Let the BCS decide the rankings and tell the committee to kick rocks. Hopefully this will stop teams from playing these weak schedules and getting in because they are 11-1

The ACC and BigXII would be lucky to get 1 team in.

ND needs to join a conference!
 

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