Which Team Or Teams Do Not Belong?

[NorCalTide]

Absolutely not. No ACC team that goes 0-2 against the only ranked teams they played has an argument to make the playoffs.

Not saying I like the SMU argument, just that there is one...lol. They probably lose at least 4-5 games against the Bama schedule (Wisc?, GA, Tenn, SC, LSU?, Mizz?, and Vandy?). I think they are losing at least 4 of those games and that doesnt even count Oklahoma.

 

[TitleWave]

Rhett Lashlee's take after the game today: "We didn't play well enough to say anything that isn't going to be written," Lashlee said. "It'll be written, should we be in or did we belong? That's fine. You're welcome to write it. We didn't play good today. But this is a quality team. We had a good team. We deserve to be here. We earned the right to be here. I'm disappointed we didn't play to the level that validates that."

To which Rhett Butler or better yet anyone with an IQ of 2.2 and corpuscle deficiency in their spine could say, "Frankly, my dear, only we the frauds on the CFB playoff committee give a dram about your blathering - now step aside so we can pin participation badges to your Cub Scout troop football side."

 

[colbysullivan]

Not saying I like the SMU argument, just that there is one...lol. They probably lose at least 4-5 games against the Bama schedule (Wisc?, GA, Tenn, SC, LSU?, Mizz?, and Vandy?). I think they are losing at least 4 of those games and that doesnt even count Oklahoma.

Dude…no. There isn’t one. They…beat…nobody.

 

[AlexanderFan]

There is never going to be a 100% foolproof way of determining who belongs and who doesn't. SMU clearly crapped the bed today and didn't do their argument any favors, but there is certainly an argument of why they belonged. As much as I want to say with certainty that Bama 100% belonged, I can also see JM having a day exactly like Jennings. It isn't like he didn't have some absolute clunkers this season. What I will say is that as a team, Bama is much better built to play in the playoffs than SMU was and it was less likely what happened to SMU or Indiana would happen to Bama (then I remember Oklahoma )

What argument says they belong? Second place in a down conference?

 

[colbysullivan]

What argument says they belong? Second place in a down conference?

There isn’t one. We can’t use the fact that the committee put them in as proof that “an argument” exists. It’s asinine and simply ignores reality. SMU was an even bigger fraud than TCU.

 

[Redwood Forrest]

Boise is third seed! What a joke. Yes, I'm calling it before they play.

 

[bamatex82]

The whole premise of the playoffs is based upon that all teams are deserving like the NFL. However, at least NFL is small enough to compare the competitors by records. They play enough of each other that the team records, although not perfect, is sufficient to qualify for the playoffs. College has too many teams and the talent pool gets diluted from the top teams down. There are too many teams eligible in college. I have no idea what would be a good number of teams, but it's not bigger than 40 for this playoff model, especially if you're ignoring SOS.

 

[Tidewater]

Announcers trying to justify SMU being in the playoffs was pathetic. Greg McElroy cheerleading for preserving conference championship games and including the runner ups didn’t age very well, either.

I was thinking about that this morning.
The Committee wants to advantage conference championship game winner
They do not want to disadvantage conference championship game losers.
Well, there are only 12 slots, that is 8 right there.
How about you hold your fire until after the conference championship games and rank teams 1-12 without regard to conference champions or not. 1-4 get a bye, 8-12 play in the first round? Focusing too much on the conference championship games has led the committee to some weird decisions.
Plus, if the "records matter more than strength of schedule" argument holds (and I do not think it will), then you can kiss Bama vs Wisconsin or Georgia vs Clemson games in the regular season goodbye and get ready for the Bama vs UT Chattanooga and Georgia vs Mercer to become the norm in the regular season.

 

[Power Eye]

Rhett Lashlee's take after the game today: "We didn't play well enough to say anything that isn't going to be written," Lashlee said. "It'll be written, should we be in or did we belong? That's fine. You're welcome to write it. We didn't play good today. But this is a quality team. We had a good team. We deserve to be here. We earned the right to be here. I'm disappointed we didn't play to the level that validates that."

If a head coach feels compelled to discuss the merits of their inclusion in the playoffs during the post game press conference, then they didn’t belong.

 

[B1GTide]

Rhett Lashlee's take after the game today: "We didn't play well enough to say anything that isn't going to be written," Lashlee said. "It'll be written, should we be in or did we belong? That's fine. You're welcome to write it. We didn't play good today. But this is a quality team. We had a good team. We deserve to be here. We earned the right to be here. I'm disappointed we didn't play to the level that validates that."

They are not capable of playing to that level with these players. Their absolute best game would not have been good enough to beat PSU.

 

[davefrat]

This could have been at least partially avoided if we hadn’t shown up in OK looking like we’d just finished a week-long bender in Vegas.

 

[81usaf92]

The whole premise of the playoffs is based upon that all teams are deserving like the NFL. However, at least NFL is small enough to compare the competitors by records. They play enough of each other that the team records, although not perfect, is sufficient to qualify for the playoffs. College has too many teams and the talent pool gets diluted from the top teams down. There are too many teams eligible in college. I have no idea what would be a good number of teams, but it's not bigger than 40 for this playoff model, especially if you're ignoring SOS.

Well here is the problem(s)

1) the #1 team and #32 team in the nfl aren’t on different stratospheres in terms of overall talent. In college they are

2) the NFL understands college’s problem better than college does. They understand that to continue to be a financial viable product there needs to be a mixture of regional inclusion with merit based assessment. It can’t just be one region being represented just because they clearly have the best teams nor can it be ‘let’s find 6 Cinderella’s’ because it’s fair representation. The NFL has the best playoff model because it incorporates all ideas while not overly championing one over the other


I think anyone who says the BCS is the perfect model is doing it because it benefited Alabama and the SEC after decades of human pollsters favoring B1G and PAC 12 claims. I think they are also being dishonest too. Because the only difference between 2003 Oklahoma and 2022 TCU is a helmet sticker. I think the BCS killed the bowl system and was killing viewership outside the south to the point that some sort of playoff was necessary.

ive always advocated for 6-8 because it’s a true playoff and it isn’t a muddy field. However they jumped to 12 so now I’m to the point of advocating for two different fixes.

1) The fix it plan: get rid of 2 AQs and each the SEC and B1G are guaranteed a minimum of 4 teams each. Keep everything the same otherwise.

2) The Nix it plan: the B1G and SEC totally break off from college football. Play a 15 conference game schedule, and have a 6 team SEC and a 6 team B1G tournament with the winners of both tournaments playing in the national championship. Hey if we are going to have pros in college why not have pro schedules.

 

[TideMan09]

I still think they should bring back the BCS Formula, that bases the 12 teams, on a equal basis & formula that keeps human butt hurt out of the equation when choosing teams..

 

[bamaga]

Rhett Lashlee's take after the game today: " We didn't play good today. But this is a quality team. We had a good team. We deserve to be here. We earned the right to be here. I'm disappointed we didn't play to the level that validates that."

that my friend is the operative word. The reason this playoff fails

 

[Power Eye]

I think anyone who says the BCS is the perfect model is doing it because it benefited Alabama and the SEC after decades of human pollsters favoring B1G and PAC 12 claims. I think they are also being dishonest too. Because the only difference between 2003 Oklahoma and 2022 TCU is a helmet sticker. I think the BCS killed the bowl system and was killing viewership outside the south to the point that some sort of playoff was necessary.

I disagree with this. Two things can be true at once. Yes, Alabama benefited from the BCS system, but it doesn't mean that it wasn't a better system, at least in terms of how the national championship teams were determined. The problem with the CFP is the human element and lack of transparency/understanding that goes into the selection process. I'm not saying the committee members are idiots or have some sort of agenda, but the current system lends itself to these assertions. If you have a predetermined ranking system, then at least everyone understands what factors go into determining the field and they're static from year-to-year.

 

[CrimSonami]

I still think they should bring back the BCS Formula, that bases the 12 teams, on a equal basis & formula that keeps human butt hurt out of the equation when choosing teams..

THIS.
But 12 is too many. 8 would be better football but 4 was fine IMO.
BTW, what were the first round TV ratings of this debacle?

 

[KrAzY3]

Because the only difference between 2003 Oklahoma and 2022 TCU is a helmet sticker.

I feel obligated to point out a couple of things.

A: I was here supporting the BCS before Alabama ever played in a BCS game. My opinion of it was in no way related to it favoring Alabama.
B: That Oklahoma team would have murdered that TCU team. The better comparison to that 2003 Oklahoma team would probably be Ohio State this year, a really good team that just failed to show up to one game.

I would elaborate a bit more on TCU, and Cincinnati, and SMU... because they are all the same sort of program. People bring up TCU due to the brain dead seeding the committee did, but Cincinnati was another pretender that made their way in. How did they do again? Got manhandled because outside of the football powers, no program is capable of physically matching up with the big boys. They can't do it. TCU never could, Cincy couldn't, SMU can't, all they can hope to do is finesse their way out of it and it will work every once in a while when they get lucky, but that's it. They never belonged, not one of them...

 

[Krymsonman]

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Well, based on the schedules that both BAMA and Georgia had this year, and will have again next year, I think even the SEC is having BAMA-Georgia fatigue. Why else would Texas get a creampuff schedule.

 

[81usaf92]

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B: That Oklahoma team would have murdered that TCU team. The better comparison to that 2003 Oklahoma team would probably be Ohio State this year, a really good team that just failed to show up to one game.

Strawman much?



Not many teams that are playing for a national championship get blown out on a neutral site the day before selection day.

 

[KrAzY3]

Strawman much?

Who needs a strawman to point out the obvious fact that 2003 Oklahoma was on a whole other level than 2022 TCU. I compared them to Ohio State this year because they both were immensely talented teams that failed to show up for one game.

Let's zoom out just a little bit. 2023 TCU was a 5-7 team. 2021 was a 5-7 team. This is not a great football program, this was not a loaded team, this was a team that got nuked from orbit by Georgia 65-13!

Let's compare them to Oklahoma.
2002: 12-1
2003: 12-2
2004: 12-1

So yeah, umm... a mountain of difference between those two programs. TCU isn't even a legit power conference team.