Poll: Who is your starting and Back-up QB for the 2025 season?

Who is your starter?


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tusks_n_raider

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We've been over this quite a few times, too.
A deal was made with the devil. Pure and simple.
Believe what you will about that.
Yeah we have.

We’ve talked about all of it over and over again and I didn’t miss much of the discussion.

Was the ‘deal’ in writing?

Did it have no exit clauses from performance issues?

No one has confirmed that part of the story one way or another.

So in light of that it’s my opinion that a guy making $10 Million dollars a year to be in charge of the FB program has the power and latitude to make performance based roster moves when not making those moves loses at least 3 games.

He’s also responsible for everything.

He gets credit for the wins and blame for the losses.

I’ve never heard of a HC getting a free pass for throwing 3 games in the trash.
 

BamaInCummingGA

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I’d argue that no you don’t .

You don’t throw 3 games away with next years starter on the Bench.

Anybody is free to not like my opinion but as long as I’m not breaking TF rules my opinion on this won’t be policed by others.
Ain't anybody policing you. A lot of us just don't agree with you. If you want to call that policing then so be it.
 
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BamaInCummingGA

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Yeah we have.

We’ve talked about all of it over and over again and I didn’t miss much of the discussion.

Was the ‘deal’ in writing?

Did it have no exit clauses from performance issues?

No one has confirmed that part of the story one way or another.

So in light of that it’s my opinion that a guy making $10 Million dollars a year to be in charge of the FB program has the power and latitude to make performance based roster moves when not making those moves loses at least 3 games.

He’s also responsible for everything.

He gets credit for the wins and blame for the losses.

I’ve never heard of a HC getting a free pass for throwing 3 games in the trash.
This is the last I will respond to you on this because it appears you just refuse to listen to people (not necessarily myself but others on this board who have some pretty deep connections) who know something about the situation.
Had the deal with the devil not been made we might have had to go pull people from the student populace to even field a team. Believe what you want.
I'm assuming you've never seen the CEO's contract for Target or GM or Ford but none the less they are still the CEOs of said respective companies. So just because you don't see the writing on papyrus doesn't make it any less true.
None of us on here believe for a second that had something not happened the coach most certainly would have made a change.
Go back to CNS' last season. As much cache as he had built up why didn't he make a change?
Again, believe what you want but a deal was made and Coach had to deal with it till he could cut the cancer out.
 

tusks_n_raider

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This is the last I will respond to you on this because it appears you just refuse to listen to people (not necessarily myself but others on this board who have some pretty deep connections) who know something about the situation.
Had the deal with the devil not been made we might have had to go pull people from the student populace to even field a team. Believe what you want.
I'm assuming you've never seen the CEO's contract for Target or GM or Ford but none the less they are still the CEOs of said respective companies. So just because you don't see the writing on papyrus doesn't make it any less true.
None of us on here believe for a second that had something not happened the coach most certainly would have made a change.
Go back to CNS' last season. As much cache as he had built up why didn't he make a change?
Again, believe what you want but a deal was made and Coach had to deal with it till he could cut the cancer out.
We seem to have a miscommunication somewhere.

But before I address that part I'm glad that will be you last response because I don't care for way you are talking to me.

So feel free to put me on ignore going forward or if not I'll put you on ignore (and I think It will be the 1st person I've done that with)

You or anyone is obviously free to disagree with my opinions and debate them and shoot them down with civilized discourse.

But approaching me with an annoyed and dismissive tone is not the way to do it.

Back to this topic:

I know an agreement was made about who was going to be the starting QB and who wasn't and why and what the ramifications would be otherwise because I'm one of the people who introduced that information in the 1st place and defended it's veracity all season.

All I'm saying in contrast to it is.... was the agreement a verbal handshake agreement or iron clad in writing in a contract where it could not be broken without legal ramifications? That detail has never been cleared up.

If it was a contractual agreement then I can understand why some people have the opinion that CKD's hands were tied.

I think CKD still should have got out of it during the OU game or at worst the Mich game. If that's a minority opinion I get that too.

If it was only a verbal agreement then imo CKD should have made the switch in the Tenn game and never looked back.... If that's a minority take I'm fine with that too.

If backing out at any point caused us to field a team of 3 stars and Walk-ons last year or this year I'm 100% fine with that as well.
 

4Q Basket Case

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I respect your opinion. I too do not understand why he never pulled the starter and gave TS a shot in some of those games in which we struggled.

To you and me and so many others, it seems crystal clear that he should have.

But, there was a reason(s) he didn't and I have to respect he knew some things none of us did. He's coached more football games in many seasons other than last year and that collective experience led him to ride it out without the #2 in those games.

And, even as we would sometimes remind ourselves with CNS. No coach is perfect. CKD might have been wrong just like CNS was wrong about personnel decisions.

But without rehashing the whole discussion, CKD must've believed it was a dynamic that was bigger than simply subbing TY.

And lest we forget, CNS made the same decision the year before and did the very same thing All YEAR LONG, except for the game that shall not be named in South Florida.
In his first year in Tuscaloosa, Saban did it as well. Not at the QB position, but at a bunch of others.

He knew there were some thugs and locker room cancers, knew who they were, and wanted to get rid of them. But he couldn't clean house because (1) he had to field a team, and (2) back then, such a move would have laid waste to the APR....which would have led to major scholarship reductions which would have adversely affected the only way to fix the problem -- recruiting the right guys.

That said, I too wonder why DeBoer didn't give Simpson a meaningful chance when it would have mattered.

He saw what we all saw, yet he made the personnel decisions he did. But the man's not stupid and he didn't suddenly forget how to manage a roster when he stepped into the Mal Moore Building. So even though I don't know what that reason was, I have to believe he had good grounds to do what he did.

I'm not going to re-hash the last 6 months conversations. Many of us think we know the issue(s). But too often, human nature is to assume that we have all the facts. When we may not. Someday, both the sequence of events and the depth of the problem(s) will be public.

It'll be interesting to see how close our discussions came to identifying all that and whether we did indeed have all the facts. Or not.

Side Note:
Stop the inanity (not a typo). I don't care who said what, using what tone, about whose mama first. Stop with the back and forth sniping.

Debate all you want. Take any side you want. But if you can't disagree in a professional manner, don't post.
 
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NoNC4Tubs

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I agree we hired the best available HC.

But I do not give him a pass for last year.

What happened vs Tenn, OU, and Mich is 100% his responsibility.

He could have made changes in game that could have affected outcomes and just didn’t make them.
And still it was a transition year...:cool:
 

gtgilbert

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We seem to have a miscommunication somewhere.

But before I address that part I'm glad that will be you last response because I don't care for way you are talking to me.

So feel free to put me on ignore going forward or if not I'll put you on ignore (and I think It will be the 1st person I've done that with)

You or anyone is obviously free to disagree with my opinions and debate them and shoot them down with civilized discourse.

But approaching me with an annoyed and dismissive tone is not the way to do it.

Back to this topic:

I know an agreement was made about who was going to be the starting QB and who wasn't and why and what the ramifications would be otherwise because I'm one of the people who introduced that information in the 1st place and defended it's veracity all season.

All I'm saying in contrast to it is.... was the agreement a verbal handshake agreement or iron clad in writing in a contract where it could not be broken without legal ramifications? That detail has never been cleared up.

If it was a contractual agreement then I can understand why some people have the opinion that CKD's hands were tied.

I think CKD still should have got out of it during the OU game or at worst the Mich game. If that's a minority opinion I get that too.

If it was only a verbal agreement then imo CKD should have made the switch in the Tenn game and never looked back.... If that's a minority take I'm fine with that too.

If backing out at any point caused us to field a team of 3 stars and Walk-ons last year or this year I'm 100% fine with that as well.
so get where you are coming from, and I doubt we will ever know if there was really a contract or just a handshake. I'd bet a decent dinner that it was just a handshake, but that is my hunch only.

While in the midst of the season, I would have agreed that benching JM would have been the right call, even if it cost us a couple of players pouting about it, I have kinda wondered is CKD might have decided that losing the battle in 24, would help him win the war going forward.

i.e. let's let this play out and see what happens when we make deals about playing time that are based on things other than what's on the field. When it's really bad, then it's a learning for the rest of the team and 'breaks' the internal dynamic. The more I hear about how TS was leading, even as the #2 QB coming into the 24 season (Dipree said he was the one that grew the most in that area) and how WRs went to CKD to push for TS to play and how TS is starting to create some distance, the more I think CKD was determined to let everyone see what the naysayers were talking about and let that fizzle out to create a much more positive path forward.
 

Bill from NYC

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so get where you are coming from, and I doubt we will ever know if there was really a contract or just a handshake. I'd bet a decent dinner that it was just a handshake, but that is my hunch only.

While in the midst of the season, I would have agreed that benching JM would have been the right call, even if it cost us a couple of players pouting about it, I have kinda wondered is CKD might have decided that losing the battle in 24, would help him win the war going forward.

i.e. let's let this play out and see what happens when we make deals about playing time that are based on things other than what's on the field. When it's really bad, then it's a learning for the rest of the team and 'breaks' the internal dynamic. The more I hear about how TS was leading, even as the #2 QB coming into the 24 season (Dipree said he was the one that grew the most in that area) and how WRs went to CKD to push for TS to play and how TS is starting to create some distance, the more I think CKD was determined to let everyone see what the naysayers were talking about and let that fizzle out to create a much more positive path forward.
Your scenario is quite plausible. There was no reason to not bench Milroe several times last season.

The thing is, the team had suffered big losses in the portal after Saban retired (especially Caleb Downs). DeBoer could have very possibly known that we had little chance to be a highly successful team.

Milroe seems to be a wonderful person. I wish him complete success, fame, and fortune. That said, he was either in the wrong system or is just a so-so quarterback.

I am 100% certain that barring a plague of serious injuries, The Crimson Tide will be vastly improved this season.

ROLL TIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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JDCrimson

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You know if we look at last season from a 3D chess point of view...

If Milroe had gotten bench in favor TS then it is plausible to see that TS would be the entrenched starter this season, which may resulted in or both things happening 1) Mack transferring, 2) not signing Keelon Russell not having a legitimate QB battle this season after not having one last season either...
 
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Bill from NYC

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You know if we look at last season from a 3D chess point of view...

If Milroe had gotten bench in favor TS then it is plausible to see that TS would be the entrenched starter this season, which may resulted in or both things happening 1) Mack transferring, 2) not signing Keelon Russell not having a legitimate QB battle this season after not having one last season either...
A very valid point.
 

gtgilbert

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in some ways, it makes me very happy to hear this. We have a QB who a WR thinks highly enough of that it factored into his decision to come here.

In other ways, frustrated. The same QB has been on the roster, yet we had WRs leaving because of the QB situation ahead of him. I'll stop there so we don't need to take it to another thread.
 

colbysullivan

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in some ways, it makes me very happy to hear this. We have a QB who a WR thinks highly enough of that it factored into his decision to come here.

In other ways, frustrated. The same QB has been on the roster, yet we had WRs leaving because of the QB situation ahead of him. I'll stop there so we don't need to take it to another thread.
Truly one of the most puzzling QB situations of our time. On one hand, I still haven’t forgiven Saban because it’s ultimately his fault, but on the other hand we won the SEC championship…
 

BamaMoon

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I'm excited to see what the future holds!

The article just below this one on 247 talks about the WR room being "loaded," a quote from Grubb.

All it's going to take is one or, at the most, two good years of Bama's offense clicking until the system starts recruiting the players to play here. We'll be having to turn down 5 star receivers and QBs who want to play for CKD and Grubb in the SEC and in this offense!
 
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I've decided since there is really no news on who is starting, backup, etc..... that the sportswriters are just making up stories to fill their weekly blog quota.

Or either they are AI generated news stories. (Yes this is a real thing!)
 
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