Who’s leading QB1 race in Spring practice?

[davefrat]

He’s not a college quarterback. While he may be a drunkard, he still has 2-4 years of mental and physical development on the guys he’s playing against. Not to mention the college football experience of playing and practicing football.

He was eligible to play wasn't he? And wasn't Jake Coker like 23 or 24 when he played for us and won the NC?

Was Coker also not a college QB because he was so old?

I don't get this line of thinking...he was eligible...what's the big deal about his age?

It's odd to me that some argue on the one hand that he wasn't really all that good and on the other hand he had an unfair advantage because he was old.

 

[crimsonaudio]

I'd consider any QB who was a 4 time playoff MVP with back to back national titles elite at the college level.

So if you were building a new CFB team Bennett be among your top choices for your QB?

 

[davefrat]

So if you were building a new CFB team Bennett be among your top choices for your QB?

I guess it depends on who the pool of choices are.

Do we get to choose from every one of the most elite college QBs of all time?

Can't someone be elite but not necessarily so incredible that they wouldn't be the first choice to build a a team around?

After all, the NFL HOF has a lot of QB's in it, but most of them wouldn't be anyone's first choice to build a franchise around.

I respectfully reject the premise of the question.

 

[uafan4life]

“We really try to emphasize two hands on the ball,” Saban said. “I didn’t think his pocket awareness was bad last year. I think his ball security was not what it needs to be. Sometimes he starts moving around, you’ve got to have two hands on the ball so you can’t knock the ball out of your hands. That’s something we’ve worked really hard so far this spring.”

Says all I need to know, team Simpson all the way. If he’s still having to work on it this Spring then he might not be as coachable as we think.

I guess you quit smoking in a day, huh?

It could simply be that it was never a problem, per se, in prep football due to his sheer, physical talent and that old habits are hard to break...

 

[uafan4life]

Yes, I am.

I believe he was the MVP of all 4 playoff games he played in, wasn't he?

He was a Heisman trophy finalist.

I think that counts as elite for a college QB.

I would also say AJ was elite his senior year...didn't he have something like a 10-1 TD to INT ratio?

Back to back NCs and Heisman finalist his senior year...if that's not elite it's pretty close to it.

You're conflating elite performance with elite talent.

It's easy to do, especially when a QB with less talent that consistently performs at 90% or better can easily beat a more talented QB having an off day and performing at 75% or less.

However, if we're talking about ceilings - Bennett's is significantly lower than many other QBs...

 

[BamaInMo1]

The absence of Dykes and Fishback is a welcome addition to this game.

I guess you quit smoking in a day, huh?

It could simply be that it was never a problem, per se, in prep football due to his sheer, physical talent and that old habits are hard to break...

Please don't compare quitting smoking to learning to hold on to the football.
I quit smoking over 20 yrs ago and could go buy a pack of Lucky Strike's or Camels and start right back up.

JM has had 3 yrs in the system to learn to hold on to the ball.

 

[4Q Basket Case]

I guess you quit smoking in a day, huh?

It could simply be that it was never a problem, per se, in prep football due to his sheer, physical talent and that old habits are hard to break...

I think you’re probably right on these points. Unfortunately, 3 years in, all the whys and wherefores become irrelevant.

Turnovers are a double-whammy….they simultaneously deny your own team a scoring opportunity, and gift the opposing team with a scoring opportunity they otherwise wouldn’t have had.

So whoever the QB is, he simply can’t be turnover prone. We’ve seen it be an issue for Milroe in games (aTm), and are hearing from Nick Saban that it’s still an issue.

It no longer matters that old habits are hard to break. Milroe will break bad habits around ball security or he won’t be QB1. Simple as that.

 

[uafan4life]

Please don't compare quitting smoking to learning to hold on to the football.
I quit smoking over 20 yrs ago and could go buy a pack of Lucky Strike's or Camels and start right back up.

JM has had 3 yrs in the system to learn to hold on to the ball.

It was the first analogy that came to mind. It isn't perfect but it does, at least, somewhat track as a habit that is hard to break...

I think you’re probably right on these points. Unfortunately, 3 years in, all the whys and wherefores become irrelevant.

Turnovers are a double-whammy….they simultaneously deny your own team a scoring opportunity, and gift the opposing team with a scoring opportunity they otherwise wouldn’t have had.

So whoever the QB is, he simply can’t be turnover prone. We’ve seen it be an issue for Milroe in games (aTm), and are hearing from Nick Saban that it’s still an issue.

It no longer matters that old habits are hard to break. Milroe will break bad habits around ball security or he won’t be QB1. Simple as that.

While this is all true, there's a massive difference between stating that if a kid can't correct a problem then someone else might need to start versus immediately and completely writing off a kid because he hasn't already corrected a problem...

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

Stetson Bennett is Eli Manning. He was a good to very good player throughout his career but anyone calling him elite is lost

 

[AlexanderFan]

He was eligible to play wasn't he? And wasn't Jake Coker like 23 or 24 when he played for us and won the NC?

Was Coker also not a college QB because he was so old?

I don't get this line of thinking...he was eligible...what's the big deal about his age?

It's odd to me that some argue on the one hand that he wasn't really all that good and on the other hand he had an unfair advantage because he was old.

His age is a factor for the reasons I mentioned. It obviously made enough difference to go from walk on to scholarship, right?

Who said “unfair”? It’s an advantage, but it’s not something only he has access to.

 

[BamaMoon]

So if you were building a new CFB team Bennett be among your top choices for your QB?

Nah, I'm taking the Tua, Hurts, Bryce hybrid model.

Tua for accuracy.
Hurts for running and toughness.
Bryce for pocket awareness, making something out of nothing!

 

[STONECOLDSABAN]

Well here is the thing… in 2014 the 2nd scrimmage was all about how great Sims was and how bad Kirby’s defense was. But the A day showed the opposite and the season proved the 2nd scrimmage was the correct Alabama. That was a new quarterback and a new coordinator

The non public scrimmages tend to have the coordinators go after one another and less script. The problem is that it appears at the moment that we are at the same point where we were last year when Bryce went down.

Again a lot can change but it’s not a good sign right now. I’m just happy that the defense will be better.

Struggling offense and fantastic defense?)????? I know CNS wants to go back to our roots, but we may have gone too far back.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

He was eligible to play wasn't he? And wasn't Jake Coker like 23 or 24 when he played for us and won the NC?

Was Coker also not a college QB because he was so old?

I don't get this line of thinking...he was eligible...what's the big deal about his age?

It's odd to me that some argue on the one hand that he wasn't really all that good and on the other hand he had an unfair advantage because he was old.

Imagine being 25 and playing 18 year olds. You don't think that makes a difference?

Stetson was a good to very good college QB. That's fine. But he definitely wasn't elite.

 

[BamaMoon]

Struggling offense and fantastic defense?)????? I know CNS wants to go back to our roots, but we may have gone too far back.

I know you're kidding, but I also know that CNS knows that you can't win that way anymore. To win at the highest level you've got to have an offense that can outscore someone on a given night.

Defense might still win NC, but they can't do it today without an offense that's dynamic and that starts with the potential of the QB's arm!

 

[jjv0004]

Not looking good according to Paul

https://thespun.com/more/top-stories/look-paul-finebaum-not-liking-what-hes-hearing-about-alabama

 

[STONECOLDSABAN]

Not looking good according to Paul

https://thespun.com/more/top-stories/look-paul-finebaum-not-liking-what-hes-hearing-about-alabama

Transfer portal time???

 

[BamaMoon]

Transfer portal time???

Not putting a whole lot of stock in anything Paul Finebaum is saying, but who would we want off of this list outside of maybe Williams or Drake???

Top 10 returning quarterbacks in college football for the 2023 season

USC's Caleb Williams headlines the top 10 returning quarterbacks in college football for the 2023 season.

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[BamaMoon]

FWIW, I think it would take a major meltdown for us to start looking at QB transfers. I think it could be devastating for building depth in the QB room. I know it would likely cause multiple transfers.

In recent years, CNS has done a great job of recruiting and developing QBs. With Eli and Sayin in waiting, I hope we don't have to go that route.

 

[davefrat]

You're conflating elite performance with elite talent.

It's easy to do, especially when a QB with less talent that consistently performs at 90% or better can easily beat a more talented QB having an off day and performing at 75% or less.

However, if we're talking about ceilings - Bennett's is significantly lower than many other QBs...

Maybe I'm crazy, but I thought performance is the measuring stick for success.

 

[davefrat]

Stetson Bennett is Eli Manning. He was a good to very good player throughout his career but anyone calling him elite is lost

So, I'm lost because we disagree on whether he was an elite college QB?