Who’s leading QB1 race in Spring practice?

[Tidelines]

I wonder if JM starts if you could block certain pass plays as if it is a running play. Give him one read and if it is not open he runs through the called hole a RB would normally run through. I know pass pro is the set way things are done today, but would some hybrid blocking schemes work? It would keep a defense from teeing off at the snap.

 

[BamaMoon]

I wonder if JM starts if you could block certain pass plays as if it is a running play. Give him one read and if it is not open he runs through the called hole a RB would normally run through. I know pass pro is the set way things are done today, but would some hybrid blocking schemes work? It would keep a defense from teeing off at the snap.

I guess the question is this: "Are Jalen's legs more valuable than 5 receivers having a chance to get a touch?"

Not doubting the impact of his running, but can't imagine his running being more important than the possibility of 5 receivers (even 6 if a running back is running a pattern).

A well timed QB rush/scramble can be backbreaking, but a failure to use skill players will hobble an offense and create a lot of locker-room drama (see 2017 rumors).

That's the philosophical debate IMO.

 

[CoolBreeze]

If you aren't at least somewhat nervous about quarterback play this year, then I think you aren't watching. We got spoiled with Jalen, Tua, Mac and Bryce. This year will be a major step down. Sayin is the real deal so I am hoping he sticks and competes for starter next year.

The reason I am not worried is due to the change in philosophy on both sides of the ball. Run the football on offense and stop the run on defense. We retooled the offensive line, added some tremendous talent on both sides of the ball (O + DLine, Tailback, etc) and have brought in hard nosed coaches at both coordinator positions. Coach said himself that this team is not soft so get ready for smash mouth.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

The reason I am not worried is due to the change in philosophy on both sides of the ball. Run the football on offense and stop the run on defense. We retooled the offensive line, added some tremendous talent on both sides of the ball (O + DLine, Tailback, etc) and have brought in hard nosed coaches at both coordinator positions. Coach said himself that this team is not soft so get ready for smash mouth.

I noticed he made it a point to say that and use the word "soft", indicating even he agreed that last year's team was soft.

 

[JustNeedMe81]

I don't think this is time to panic or anything over QB situation. I expect both qbs to be much better in August when fall camp comes around.

I believe we have the right people in place.

 

[Tidelines]

I guess the question is this: "Are Jalen's legs more valuable than 5 receivers having a chance to get a touch?"

Not doubting the impact of his running, but can't imagine his running being more important than the possibility of 5 receivers (even 6 if a running back is running a pattern).

A well timed QB rush/scramble can be backbreaking, but a failure to use skill players will hobble an offense and create a lot of locker-room drama (see 2017 rumors).

That's the philosophical debate IMO.

I agree 100%. Mostly speaking of just taking the edge off the defense when they start penning their ears back to much.We are talking about WR that can catch the ball aren’t we?

 

[gtgilbert]

I wonder if JM starts if you could block certain pass plays as if it is a running play. Give him one read and if it is not open he runs through the called hole a RB would normally run through. I know pass pro is the set way things are done today, but would some hybrid blocking schemes work? It would keep a defense from teeing off at the snap.

That's what an RPO based offense is. It's a tool in our toolkit for sure, but if we have to default to that, then we'll have morale issues at WR like we did with Hurts and an impact to WR recruiting. Elite WRs want to be where there's a QB going through at least a couple of reads to get the ball out to them all over the field.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I don't think this is time to panic or anything over QB situation. I expect both qbs to be much better in August when fall camp comes around.

I believe we have the right people in place.

After watching A Day I'm nowhere near panic and I don't think anyone else should be either. This new staff is bringing toughness and physicality back to the program on both sides of the ball. Talent is there, in every position, some of it needs to be developed more than others. But the changes made were much needed and I think by the first game we will be a lot further along than what we saw this weekend.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I think we may see Tua/Hurts version 2.0 with Simpson and Milroe, where you have a "starter" but the other QB WILL GET significant snaps each game. They at least have to try it to see if it could work and how long they can ride it like that. Because if they find a way to make it work, and Rees has the option to throw two similar but slightly different offenses at a defense with the talent Milroe has, I'll quote the late great Don Meredith "TURN OUT THE LIGHTS, THE PARTY'S OVER!!!"

 

[gtgilbert]

I guess the question is this: "Are Jalen's legs more valuable than 5 receivers having a chance to get a touch?"

Not doubting the impact of his running, but can't imagine his running being more important than the possibility of 5 receivers (even 6 if a running back is running a pattern).

A well timed QB rush/scramble can be backbreaking, but a failure to use skill players will hobble an offense and create a lot of locker-room drama (see 2017 rumors).

That's the philosophical debate IMO.

so can hitting the slant into the seam behind the blitzer and taking it for a TD when the defense blitzes.

Last thing we need is a return to a run first QB, where the WRs don't even want to run the routes unless they are the first read because they know they won't get the ball.

 

[PA Tide Fan]

Didn't get to see the game but I hope the ESPN ratings tanked for Colorado. Sounds like neither QB was all that impressive so the defense will have to really step up this coming season. The thing is with a new OC and new QB if we struggle in the first few games on offense we won't know whether Rees is failing to game plan to these guys strengths or whether these guys just can't execute.

 

[Tidelines]

That's what an RPO based offense is. It's a tool in our toolkit for sure, but if we have to default to that, then we'll have morale issues at WR like we did with Hurts and an impact to WR recruiting. Elite WRs want to be where there's a QB going through at least a couple of reads to get the ball out to them all over the field.

Not quite what I’m talking about. The back doesn’t figure into the decision, only blocks. The QB passes or runs in to the hole the OL has hopefully opened for him. Again, only used to back a rush off. Not talking a full- time offensive game plan. If defenses know you can’t consistently complete passes you are in trouble. Just thinking out of the box.

 

[B1GTide]

I am not worried about QB. You will be fine there. But I am worried about the drops.

 

[STONECOLDSABAN]

I am not worried about QB. You will be fine there. But I am worried about the drops.

Drops confuse me in general. I can't really catch anything thrown at me very well, but I am also not a athlete that's been doing it since i was a child and giving a scholarship to play for the greatest college football program with the greatest coach of all time.

 

[gtgilbert]

Not quite what I’m talking about. The back doesn’t figure into the decision, only blocks. The QB passes or runs in to the hole the OL has hopefully opened for him. Again, only used to back a rush off. Not talking a full- time offensive game plan. If defenses know you can’t consistently complete passes you are in trouble. Just thinking out of the box.

That's still part of the overall RPO offense, and is still a one route read, which can become an issue for your WR talent if they know on those plays they have no chance of getting the ball.

 

[CB4]

Drops confuse me in general. I can't really catch anything thrown at me very well, but I am also not a athlete that's been doing it since i was a child and giving a scholarship to play for the greatest college football program with the greatest coach of all time.

I could possibly understand more frequent drops by receivers as freshmen or first year players trying to adjust to timing and “speed of the game” between the high school and Division 1 college game, much the same QB’s have to adjust to making faster reads and getting the ball out quicker. However, players still dropping passes after years in the program, to me, is lack of concentration and fundamentals.
I wasn’t much of an athlete so I was marginal in football. Baseball was more suited for my skills (should I say “lack of skills”). But I alway remember our coach hammering home “the routine plays win games”. The routine catch, the routine throw, the routine execution. His point was that everyone wants to see “the spectacular” . But those plays happen because you’ve practiced those “routine” fundamental things over and over again.

 

[Tide&True]

That's what an RPO based offense is. It's a tool in our toolkit for sure, but if we have to default to that, then we'll have morale issues at WR like we did with Hurts and an impact to WR recruiting. Elite WRs want to be where there's a QB going through at least a couple of reads to get the ball out to them all over the field.

This is where the O-line has to step up…we can’t be a sieve and expect our QB to be successful.

 

[crimsonaudio]

That's still part of the overall RPO offense, and is still a one route read, which can become an issue for your WR talent if they know on those plays they have no chance of getting the ball.

RPO isn't necessarily one read and run, though. The initial read is the defender - that tells the QB whether to pass it or keep it - after that the pressure determines whether or not the QB can progress through reads.

 

[davefrat]

RPO isn't necessarily one read and run, though. The initial read is the defender - that tells the QB whether to pass it or keep it - after that the pressure determines whether or not the QB can progress through reads.

There's so much going on for a QB to process in like 1.5 seconds after the snap that it makes my brain hurt.

 

[gtgilbert]

RPO isn't necessarily one read and run, though. The initial read is the defender - that tells the QB whether to pass it or keep it - after that the pressure determines whether or not the QB can progress through reads.

no, it's pretty much one read, because if you go through progressions, the OLine will be downfield blocking before the pass comes out. Every once and a while, there could be a second option on the pass route tree, but more often if the pass isn't open the QB has to run.