Why more young men in Germany are turning to the far right

[crimsonaudio]

"Remigration" is a big issue across the continent:

Why more young men in Germany are turning to the far-right

The far right here and elsewhere in Europe attracts an increasing number of young people, particularly men.

www.bbc.com

And across Europe:

'Your time is over' - far-right leaders start fight with EU mainstream

At a leaders summit in Madrid the Patriots for Europe (PfE) party says it will launch a 'reconquest' under the banner of 'Make Europe Great Again.' #EuropeNews

www.euronews.com

 

[CrimsonJazz]

"Remigration" is a big issue across the continent:

Why more young men in Germany are turning to the far-right

The far right here and elsewhere in Europe attracts an increasing number of young people, particularly men.

www.bbc.com

And across Europe:

'Your time is over' - far-right leaders start fight with EU mainstream

At a leaders summit in Madrid the Patriots for Europe (PfE) party says it will launch a 'reconquest' under the banner of 'Make Europe Great Again.' #EuropeNews

www.euronews.com

Interesting reading on a Monday morning and not at all surprising. This is classic pushback from typical government over-correction and I expect this to continue until concessions are made. I suspect there are more people interested in preserving their culture than we think; they are simply afraid to speak up. The U.K. has gone full Orwell and everyone knows it.

 

[AWRTR]

I'm not shocked by the article. Europe has been attempting suicide as a culture for sometime. There is pushback and that's good. The problem is going too far into Holocaust denial and real Nazi leanings. Just like in the US young men have been told they were the problem for years and we shouldn't wonder why they decide they don't want to take it anymore.

 

[Its On A Slab]

Sadly, it's human nature to want to find a bogeyman, someone to look down on and/or blame all your problems on. Especially if they don't look like you, or their culture is alien to yours.

Germany was in a horrible state during Weimar, post-WW1. A man rose from the ranks, wishing to bring Germany back to its old glory, and he found that bogeyman in the Jews and other untermensch.

Now, if you can convince enough people that their plight is horrific, whether there is a good question as to such, a tyrant can arise.

We've seen this play out over and over again since then.

“If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.”

― Lyndon B. Johnson

 

[selmaborntidefan]

I’m not surprised, but having lived in what was then called West Germany during the Cold War, I will admit to being saddened. The time I lived, there was closer to the big war than today is to 1982, and there were still people ashamed of the family members they had that were fooled by Hitler. Now? Well, it appears they are opting to call the exact same thing something different.

You can 100% be a conservative without being a Nazi just like you can 100% be a liberal without being a socialist or Communist. But apparently you cannot do this in Germany where the right is concerned.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Sadly, it's human nature to want to find a bogeyman, someone to look down on and/or blame all your problems on. Especially if they don't look like you, or their culture is alien to yours.

I've not been to Germany (ever), but I've been to France a few times as well as few other parts of Europe. I have a lot of friends and clients there and even the most liberal (of which most would qualify by US standards) they admit that their immigration policies have been lacking, to the point that entire areas no longer resemble the country in which they are located. I admit some of the photos and videos I've seen from cities like Paris are pretty shocking - it's not skin color that's shocking, it's that there's been no attempt whatsoever at assimilation.

Like many here, I assume the issue is less the color of skin and more about how non-selective these governments have been regarding who they allow in. Sure, immigrations is generally needed, but not everyone who can fog a mirror benefits society, and I've see more than a few people from Europe repeat something along the lines of 'import the third world, become the third world'...

 

[cdub55]

Sadly, it's human nature to want to find a bogeyman, someone to look down on and/or blame all your problems on. Especially if they don't look like you, or their culture is alien to yours.

I'm not greedy, many times I'm trying to find a double bogey, man. ⛳🏌️‍♂️

 

[Huckleberry]

Merkel, Musk and the far right: What is going on in Germany’s election?

As Germans prepare to vote on Feb. 23, an almighty argument over whether mainstream parties should work with the anti-immigration AfD is threatening to upend politics in Europe’s most powerful demo…

www.politico.eu

Merkel, Musk and the far right: What is going on in Germany’s election?
As Germans prepare to vote on Feb. 23, an almighty argument over whether mainstream parties should work with the anti-immigration AfD is threatening to upend politics in Europe’s most powerful democracy.

...

The AfD lost ground in the first half of last year but since then has been on the rise in polls and now has about 21 percent of popular support across the country, up three points since November. In contrast, Merz’s conservative alliance (CDU/CSU) lost three points during that time, now standing at 30 percent in POLITICO’s Poll of Polls.

One key factor in the change in mood is a spate of shocking murders committed by immigrants, including an attack on a Christmas market in the eastern city of Magdeburg in December that left six people dead. On Jan. 22, an Afghan man allegedly attacked a group of pre-school children, killing two people including a two-year-old boy.

The stabbings in a park in the central city of Aschaffenburg provoked another outcry from the public and political leaders, with even Scholz notably hardening his rhetoric against attackers who came to Germany “seeking protection.” He said: “Misguided tolerance has no place here.”

 

[tusks_n_raider]

I’m not surprised, but having lived in what was then called West Germany during the Cold War, I will admit to being saddened. The time I lived, there was closer to the big war than today is to 1982, and there were still people ashamed of the family members they had that were fooled by Hitler. Now? Well, it appears they are opting to call the exact same thing something different.

You can 100% be a conservative without being a Nazi just like you can 100% be a liberal without being a socialist or Communist. But apparently you cannot do this in Germany where the right is concerned.

I ran across a post on another forum I'm a member of that's non sports related and the poster was asking for advice on how to move to Germany and learn German in an effort to leave the US and get away from the Far-Right/Nazis.

I replied with a dissertation on how to leave and how to learn a 2nd language.

Wrt to leaving the US to go the Germany and get away from the Far Right/Nazism I just said..

 

[CrimsonNagus]

New Zealand would be my country of choice if I was leaving.

 

[Tidewater]

Here is an example of what makes Germany a little funny in my view.
I got an e-mail from a German colonel informing everyone that the EU had dictated that every German soldier work on 37.5 hours a week and that henceforward, all the Germans were required to leave the office at 1700. I thought it was a joke. In every NATO office I have ever been to, after 1430, the only ones still working were the Americans, the Brits and the Germans. No more, the colonel said. When I spoke with him later, I asked him if there was a military exemption to the EU rule. "There is," he said, "but Germany forgot to ask for it. Now we're stuck with the EU rule as I stated in the email."
I was thinking, "Wait, you must implement a demonstrably stupid EU rule just because you forgot to ask for an exemption?" What I actually said was, "There you have it. The reason the Germans lost at Stalingrad was because, on Friday at 1700, the Germans stopped fighting until Monday morning, whereas the Red Army did not."

In a similar vein, the reason EU immigration policy is so unbelievably stupid is that the Europeans Court of Human Rights has decided that member states must accept any asylum-seeker who wants to go there, the recipient country has to house the asylum-seeker, cannot require them to work, and must enroll them in welfare. When I asked a German student if Germany has to follow this decision, he said, "Every member state of the ECHR must implement the decisions of the ECHR."
I asked, "Can you quit the ECHR?"
He said, "Certainly."
"And if you quit, you are not required to comply with the ECHR's decisions?
"Nope."
"Okay, so quit."
"Oh, we cannot quit an organisation with 'Human Rights' in the name."

So, because your country is a voluntary member of an organisation that orders harm to your country, you just go ahead and harm you country rather than leave the voluntary organisation. Very German.

 

[Tidewater]

Of note, the thoughtless compliance with international organisations' diktats does not extend to NATO-agreed 2% of GDP on defense. That requirement you just waive, saying, "We're trying."
German spends 1.57% of its GDP on defense.

 

[Huckleberry]

Of note, the thoughtless compliance with international organisations' diktats does not extend to NATO-agreed 2% of GDP on defense. That requirement you just waive, saying, "We're trying."
German spends 1.57% of its GDP on defense.

What is Nato, why isn't Ukraine a member and is defence spending increasing? - BBC News

The UK says it will boost defence spending, as arguments continue about whether Ukraine could join Nato.

www.bbc.com

Up to 2.12% in 2024. Italy (1.49) and Spain (1.28) were below the 2% guideline last year.

 

[Tidewater]

What is Nato, why isn't Ukraine a member and is defence spending increasing? - BBC News

The UK says it will boost defence spending, as arguments continue about whether Ukraine could join Nato.

www.bbc.com

Up to 2.12% in 2024. Italy (1.49) and Spain (1.28) were the only ones below the 2% guideline last year.

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Interesting. My source also reported 2024 numbers so the two sources disagree.
World Population Review might be a Kremlin front organisation.

 

[Huckleberry]

Interesting. My source also reported 2024 numbers so the two sources disagree.
World Population Review might be a Kremlin front organisation.

I looked at the official NATO site and found this. I also corrected my post above to indicate that Italy and Spain were the only ones on that chart that didn’t meet the guideline. There are several others not listed that were below 2% as well.

https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/2024/6/pdf/240617-def-exp-2024-en.pdf

 

[CrimsonJazz]

JD Vance RIPS European leaders to their face over mass immigration policies that undermine the will of their own citizens:

"No voter on this continent went to the ballot box to open the floodgates to millions of unvetted immigrants."

“But you know what they did vote for in England? They voted for Brexit. And agree or disagree, they voted for it. And more and more all over Europe, they're voting for political leaders who promise to put an end to out of control migration."

"Now, I happen to agree with a lot of these concerns, but you don't have to agree with me. I just think that people care about their homes. They care about their dreams. They care about their safety and their capacity to provide for themselves and their children. And they're smart. I think this is one of the most important things I've learned in my brief time in politics."

"Contrary to what you might hear a couple mountains over in Davos, the citizens of all of our nations don't generally think of themselves as educated animals or as interchangeable cogs of a global economy."

"And it's hardly surprising that they don't want to be shuffled about or relentlessly ignored by their leaders. It is the business of democracy to adjudicate these big questions at the ballot box."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1890413116510404614

This is why a seismic shift towards the right won't be contained in Germany. The UK is pushing people to their breaking point and the Irish are a notoriously short-tempered lot. (I should know, these are my people.) There's still time to reverse course, but it would appear that the globalists behind this agenda have no intention of slowing down. It's sad that violence will likely be the only option left at some point.

 

[Tidewater]

I looked at the official NATO site and found this. I also corrected my post above to indicate that Italy and Spain were the only ones on that chart that didn’t meet the guideline. There are several others not listed that were below 2% as well.

https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/2024/6/pdf/240617-def-exp-2024-en.pdf

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LTG(R) Ben Hodges (former commander of US Army Europe and married to a German woman, I might add) has argued that Germany should be allowed to count transportation infrastructure in its contribution: "We don't need another German Panzer Brigade. We need enhanced German port facilities and railheads." Makes sense.
I suppose that making an exception for German would open the floodgates for other countries to count other things as "CDP spent on defense," so Hidges idea went nowehere.

 

[4Q Basket Case]

I don’t get the magic about 2% of GDP on “defense,” however that might be defined.

Any government’s primary job is to make its constituency physically secure. Everything else is subordinate to that.

Spend whatever that takes, and spend it on whatever best accomplishes the goal.

If that’s 1%, fine. If it’s 10% or 20% or whatever, well that’s just what it takes.

I don’t know if 2% is enough or too much or too little. But it seems to me the concept puts the cart before the horse.

 

[crimsonaudio]

I don’t get the magic about 2% of GDP on “defense,” however that might be defined.

Any government’s primary job is to make its constituency physically secure. Everything else is subordinate to that.

Spend whatever that takes, and spend it on whatever best accomplishes the goal.

Agree 100%, but NATO had to set a minimum because for decades most of Europe just relied on the US to pick up the slack.

 

[Tidewater]

I don’t get the magic about 2% of GDP on “defense,” however that might be defined.

Any government’s primary job is to make its constituency physically secure. Everything else is subordinate to that.

Spend whatever that takes, and spend it on whatever best accomplishes the goal.

If that’s 1%, fine. If it’s 10% or 20% or whatever, well that’s just what it takes.

I don’t know if 2% is enough or too much or too little. But it seems to me the concept puts the cart before the horse.

That standard was set in 2014. All the NATO member states agreed to spend at that.
Between the end of the Cold War and 2014, European defense spending had fallen in some cases below 1% and "get the Americans to pay for it" was not uncommon.