Whyare there so many brodie bashers?

[MKAlaw4ua9195]

Few points to be made:

Facts:
1. The line did not give Brodie time last year, which resulted in his injury.

2. The receiving group we had was way below average (ie: fast with stone hands or slow with good hands), with the exception of the late discovery of Tyrone Protho.

3. Brodie was not allowed to check off on even one occasion last year (due to late offensive coaching additions) and every team after the fourth game had our vanilla offense (in place out of necessity) figured out. Thus increase interceptions.

4. Brodie played hurt last year which earns the respect of his teammates as a leader. They will go the extra mile for Brodie.

5. Nobody has seen Guillion play an NCAA football game and Spencer has at best performed on an average level when in the games in the past. (Not saying that one or both may not be next comming of Joe Willie)

Opinions:

1. Brodie shows some of the best footwork and knack for feeling and sidestepping or stepping up to avoid the pass rush.

2. The shear strength of his arm makes defenses remain honest.

3. The same guy everyone thought had a good field presence and was better than Tyler two years ago is the guy that SOME people are bashing.

4. Brodie has a Lane Bearden sized heart (toughness).

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[TexasTide]

Although I agree with the above here are my personal opinions:

Zow and Barker were successful early, never had great OL's, but could evade the sack and make a play. I hoped Brodie would be the same but he is a drop back passer and needs a very good OL. He's not slow he just doesn't avoid the sack like Zow and Barker could.

Pennington was great on occasion when he came off the bench. Other times he looked like he did not belong on the same field as everyone else. In other words, he looked like a backup QB.

What I like about Croyle is that he has the ability to complete the long pass even with mediocre receivers. Kitchens and Zow had the arm strength but not the timing or accuracy. Brodie has it all, he just needs protection. Unfortunately the OL is one of our biggest question marks if not the biggest.

 

[HITIDE]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by TexasTide:
Although I agree with the above here are my personal opinions:

Zow and Barker were successful early, never had great OL's, but could evade the sack and make a play. I hoped Brodie would be the same but he is a drop back passer and needs a very good OL. He's not slow he just doesn't avoid the sack like Zow and Barker could.

Pennington was great on occasion when he came off the bench. Other times he looked like he did not belong on the same field as everyone else. In other words, he looked like a backup QB.

What I like about Croyle is that he has the ability to complete the long pass even with mediocre receivers. Kitchens and Zow had the arm strength but not the timing or accuracy. Brodie has it all, he just needs protection. Unfortunately the OL is one of our biggest question marks if not the biggest.

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Zow and/or Barker would have had no more success than Brodie with only 3 weeks to learn an offensive scheme and absolutely NO way to audible out of a blitz or bad play. If everyone will forget the W/L column and look at all the circumstances they will have to say Brodie performed admirably last year.

 

[rtrcam]

Well, there are a lot of opinions on this subject, but how in the world could Brodie Croyle have done any better than he did last year? Multiple injuries, multiple coaching changes leading up to last year, and no imagination on offense due to lack of practice time. Very few qbs would've put up better numbers under Brodie's circumstances last year. In fact, very few qbs would have finished the season. Brodie Croyle is not Alabama's problem. Alabama's problem is coaches and administrators that are no longer with the university. Brodie Croyle may never be the qb that BAMA fans thought he could be. But it will be because he came along at the wrong time. Somebody mentioned Carson Palmer. He did absolutely nothing until his senior year, his second year under Norm Chow. Give Brodie and Shula time. They will get it done.

 

[1BamaNita]

Seems some people have forgotten that Brodie set a new record for single season passing yards for a sophmore QB, and tied the single season record for TD passes, at Alabama. All this while playing with an almost completely separated shoulder, broken ribs, a porous O line, and not the best stable of receivers.

Just imagine what he could have done if not facing all those problems.

 

[RollTideinGA]

Look at Spencer in the UGA game, and Brodie in the OU game '03 and the UGA game '02.

Pennington got the start against a good UGA team and couldnt move the ball. Brodie against the same UGA team the year before got the team moving and scored some points, same versus OU in '03.

Brodie will throw the ball more than any QB in BAMA history For that simple fact he will have more TD's, more yards, and yes more interceptions than any QB in BAMA history. He may not win a National Championship but as far as numbers he will be the greatest QB in BAMA history.

I believe the days of pounding the ball and only throwing occassionally are gone. Time for Air-BAMA.

 

[offensivecoordinator]

We've also had coaches and players that have mismanaged games, too. People need to realize that the Coach Moore bashing is just as senseless as many of you think of the Brodie bashing. Remember, Coach Moore doesn't call plays, nor execute them in the games. Back when he did, we won championships...

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The fact is we have been fielding coaches and players in a mis-managed environment. Whether Shula can rise above our own sins remains to be seen.

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[TexasTide]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by HITIDE:
Zow and/or Barker would have had no more success than Brodie with only 3 weeks to learn an offensive scheme and absolutely NO way to audible out of a blitz or bad play. If everyone will forget the W/L column and look at all the circumstances they will have to say Brodie performed admirably last year.</font>

There is no way to know that. We do know, however, that once Watts was injured and Zow was the QB (who supposedly had not played because he didn't know the offense well enough) we won every game.

I believe the biggest obstacle for Brodie, if true and besides his injury, was not being able to audible. This is something I just don't understand. It's not that hard to learn an audible (at least simple ones which would have been better than nothing) and may have allowed Brodie to protect himself a bit more.

Like I posted above, it's just my opinion of why I had certain expectations, right or wrong, for Brodie. I'm not starting a Zow-Watts-Croyle-Barker debate. They all have their strengths and weaknesses.

 

[Probius]

I have heard that from a lot of people too and it is just because people see the team losing and blame the quaterback. True Bama fans know that is false and that Brodie is a very talented quaterback. The quaterback is a big part of the offense, but not the only part. Brodie battled injuries all season and yet still put up over 2,000 yards. His TD to INT ratio wasn't the best at 16-13 I believe, but that is understandable considering he didn't get the best protection last season. Overall I would say he had a heck of a season, and will do even better this coming season.

 

[jdpas29]

"I believe the days of pounding the ball and only throwing occassionally are gone. Time for Air-BAMA."