I was reading through this thread to see if anyone had mentioned this before I posted. I agree 1,000%. Tubby wrecked uk. He did not recruit well and started to under-perform in the Dance.
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Eyeshade,
I had not considered the point you make to wind up your post, but it might be what we need at UA. Looking back, that's what Wimp did for the most part and we got good results.
On your recruiting point, I ran into two Kentucky fans after Saturday's game who said Billy Gillispie is lining up top recruits right and left. During Tubby's time, they said it was nip and tuck, down to the wire, to get the few studs they did get.
I agree, which is why I chose Steve Wojo. Don't get me wrong, I think that Tubby or Grant would be great coaches, but anyone coming out of Duke or Carolina will be great. [SEE JEFF CAPEL at OU]. Wojo was a great player at Duke who had great intensity. Duke is always good, knows how to recruit the top players, and plays sound basketball. I would love to have a young coach wanting to prove himself out of that line.
I would tend to go for a coach with head coaching experience. However, I am sure that Saban knows what makes a great head coach (even if it is a different sport). If both he and Mal feel like an assistant would be a great coach, then they should go for him. Bill Parcells knew that Tony Sparano would be a great coach, even though Sparano was never so much as a coordinator. Maybe Saban could give his old buddy Bill a call. :biggrin2:
You guys have sold me on Anthony Grant though. Maybe even regardless of if Tubby would come.
You guys have sold me on Anthony Grant though. Maybe even regardless of if Tubby would come.
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Assistant coaches with no HC experience will not be on the list. The point about Capel was that he had HC experience when OU hired him. He was the head coach for four years at VCU. Also, as Earle has stated, money will not be an obstacle. MM and DH will go after the best man available.
I don't think Dunn or Davis will get a shot at all. All but one year of Dunn's coaching career has been in the NBA. I think we should go with a guy with a strong collegiate coaching background. Davis was a hot name early but his recent collapse at UAB has allowed it to cool off and I would not be happy with that hire.
I would love the Anthony Grant hire. He recently signed an extension through the 2013-2014 year. Not sure on what is buyout would be. He currently makes $700,000 but certain perks could push it over $850,000.
Another thing with Grant, I think he is buying his time until Donovan moves on. I am afraid he might use Alabama as a stepping stone into the SEC but who knows.
I would love the Anthony Grant hire. He recently signed an extension through the 2013-2014 year. Not sure on what is buyout would be. He currently makes $700,000 but certain perks could push it over $850,000.
Another thing with Grant, I think he is buying his time until Donovan moves on. I am afraid he might use Alabama as a stepping stone into the SEC but who knows.
I love the Duke system and Coach K, in my mind, has to be considered one of the the sport's best coaches. But Duke bloodlines do not guarantee automatic success. Tommy Amaker's teams always looked flat and underwhelming. Quinn Snyder's tenure was more Bull Durham than Durham West at Missouri.
you could be right, but he will be waiting for a WHILE. in the meantime, he can turn the Bama job into a better one than Florida.
We can't let ourselves worry about that. The only way we can avoid that is to get a coach with a Bama pedigree. That would pretty much limit us to Dunn, Davis, or Pearson. If we got Wojciechowski and he did well, he would certainly be the #1 choice of Duke when Coach K retires. And furthermore, I don't think Donovan is going anywhere soon. After his situation with the Magic a couple years ago, I don't think an NBA team will touch him.
Also if a coach does use us as a stepping stone, I don't have a problem with that (as long as they leave us in a better place than they found us). We are Alabama...we aren't a destination job in basketball like we are in football.
Depends on what our goals are.
For an immediate shot in the arm -- Bob Knight.
For longer-term rebuilding -- Anthony Grant.
Regardless of whom we hire, 'Bama fans must realize that it's unlikely in this day & age that the new coach will stay more than 5 - 6 years. He'll either do very well and move up, or he'll fail & be fired. The Alabama job is not a "stay until I retire" position any more, and we might as well face up to that.
Even such a class person as C. M. Newton eventually wearied of the hoops program continually being the step-child to football. And that hasn't changed, folks.
For an immediate shot in the arm -- Bob Knight.
For longer-term rebuilding -- Anthony Grant.
Regardless of whom we hire, 'Bama fans must realize that it's unlikely in this day & age that the new coach will stay more than 5 - 6 years. He'll either do very well and move up, or he'll fail & be fired. The Alabama job is not a "stay until I retire" position any more, and we might as well face up to that.
Even such a class person as C. M. Newton eventually wearied of the hoops program continually being the step-child to football. And that hasn't changed, folks.
Roy Rogers? He's an assistant with the NJ Nets......and he's gaining a good reputation as being a great teacher of big men......he's definitely an intense fella........and he's got Bama ties, obviously
Ok, I have mentioned for years when CMG is gone, I would like for Gonzaga's Mark Few to be the top of the list. He is the one that put Gonzaga on the map. I know it may be a reach, but I would like for us to go after him.
After reading everyone's post about the other candidates, I have to admit I may have changed my mind and may lean toward Anthony Grant, who learned under Billy Donovan. My only concern or question is based on Capel being the VCU coach from 2002-2006. Grant took over at VCU after Capel. Is VCU winning or playing with Capel's recruits or the foundadtion that he built instead of Grant's?
I do think we will go after a coach with experience, but I would be really interested if Wojo is hired. However, I am not no the Tubby bandwagon. After winning the NC with Rick Pitino's recruits, didn't UK get worse over the years?
I don't think we're going to go the BAMA route, just for the sake of a BAMA guy. I'm sure he's a good assistant, but I don't think we're going to do "on the job training" for someone.
^^^Tubby always was second to some big name recruits. He would make the sweet 16 but got upset by UAB/Marquette twice even though Dwayne Wade was on the first team. He has a slow down style and hardly ever got into the 80s in points. Recruited very few instate players where the talent pool isn't real strong but their name can bring in many outside kids.
At Bama he would fit because he can coach, I'm not sure how many D-1 kids are in Bama on an average year in and out but he should get those kids. He would be my first choice on reasonable coaches. Rick is not gonna talk to us.
At Bama he would fit because he can coach, I'm not sure how many D-1 kids are in Bama on an average year in and out but he should get those kids. He would be my first choice on reasonable coaches. Rick is not gonna talk to us.
While I agree with that I wouldn't be shocked to see some very recognizable names cross the wire. If the commitment is there I believe the Bama job will be very attractive to some really good coaches. This is not the time to sell yourself short. I remember when a lot of folks said Alabama was NUTS to think Nick Saban would give us a sniff.
While we're wishing...why not make a run at Jamie Dixon at Pitt. In the Big East he's represented Pitt very well since Ben Howland left for UCLA. Only thing is he's probably #1 on Arizona's list to replace Lute Olson.
Having been behind the scenes during the SEC Championship year, T.R. was clearly the backbone. The players respected him, listened to him, learned from him. Moreso than anyone else on the staff including CMG.
He cried in the hallway that day when we won the title. It meant a lot to him and I have no doubt he has the knowledge and passion to come back here and be successful. (and if you know TR, comparing him to Dubose is ridiculous)
Call it whatever you want, but all this Tubby Smith, Calipari, Knight stuff is unrealistic. We will hire a young gun probably. I just think TR should get a look.
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