Would you prefer Lane Kiffin to coach Bama over KD?
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Here's something incredible:
Lane Kiffin has been passed over in his career NOT ONCE but TWICE for........Ed Orgeron.........
1) he was fired and left to find his way home at USC and Orgeron was the interim
2) he was the so-called lead candidate in 2016 and Orgeron got the job
@81usaf92 brings up a point I was going to make, but I got interrupted while writing that thesis above.
Kiffin's play calling in the Ohio State Sugar Bowl game in the 2014 playoff WAS - and remains - highly suspect. NO, I'm not saying "Kiffin is what lost us the game" (Kirby kinda got pantsed that night, too) but go back and look if you don't remember.
With less than 3 minutes left in the first half, we were leading, 21-13, and Derrick Henry had 7 carries for 56 yards and a TD. Common sense tells you that since Ohio St gets the ball to start the second half, the worst case scenario you want to do (they have 2 TOs) is no points but not let them get the ball.
Here's Valley Boy's play calling sequence in that scenario:
1) pass to Amari Cooper for six yards
2) pass to DeAndrew White for two yards
3) incomplete pass to (are you ready for this?) - DeAndrew White
You need six feet, they haven't stopped Henry but one time (his 2nd carry), and you can keep the clock going. They haven't even really stopped TJ Yeldon though he hasn't had the explosive plays of Henry. Alabama at this point has called 12 runs and 12 passes (one Sims took and ran with it)
RUN YARDAGE - 80 yards
PASS YARDAGE - 52 yards
You're averaging 6.6 yards per rush.....and you don't hand the ball off once.
And in a must get 3rd and 2 pass play - you DON'T throw it to Amari Cooper, either.
Buckeyes get the ball and score, get the ball to start the 2nd half and score another TD...and we never got it going again. We fall behind, 27-21, and after we pick up a first down with Blake tucking and running and Yeldon getting 8 yards, we get this on 2nd and 2:
1) sack for 6 yard loss
2) sack for 9 yard loss
3) punt on 4th and 17
The next drive we start at our own one-yard line:
1) Yeldon for one yard
2) Yeldon for 10 yards (1st down)
3) Henry for 21 yards (1st down)
4) pass to Fowler for 4 yards
5) Henry stopped on 2nd down run play
6) Pick Six, down by 13
On the other thread one of our nice posters said Kiffin is a "genius" and how he rode the talents of Blake Sims, Jake Coker, and Jalen Hurts to 3 straight SEC titles, a national title, and a near miss.
Funny. Because if Kiffin had had his mind on developing Hurts in 2016 instead of his off-the-field activities, maybe Alabama isn't reduced to a one-man running back offense against Clemson, who left with a broken leg.
The greatest coach of all-time decided that Kiffin was not baggage worth keeping despite the upcoming game being winner-take-all so he threw him overboard. And guess what?
Kiffin just did the same kind of trick the last two weeks.
DeBoer has some problems he has to improve upon and everyone going the "but CNS" route needs to remember that CNS wasn't staying around for college players who "let you" coach them, either. That's not to give DeBoer a free pass, it's just to put it in larger context.
The Lane Kiffin of the last two weeks has been the narcissistic problem we saw two decades ago and one decade ago, and I don't want this guy anywhere near my football team.
Seriously - it would not be beyond him to have been our head coach, won last night, and then announced he was taking an NFL job but he wanted to stay through the playoffs.
Lane Kiffin has been passed over in his career NOT ONCE but TWICE for........Ed Orgeron.........
1) he was fired and left to find his way home at USC and Orgeron was the interim
2) he was the so-called lead candidate in 2016 and Orgeron got the job
@81usaf92 brings up a point I was going to make, but I got interrupted while writing that thesis above.
Kiffin's play calling in the Ohio State Sugar Bowl game in the 2014 playoff WAS - and remains - highly suspect. NO, I'm not saying "Kiffin is what lost us the game" (Kirby kinda got pantsed that night, too) but go back and look if you don't remember.
With less than 3 minutes left in the first half, we were leading, 21-13, and Derrick Henry had 7 carries for 56 yards and a TD. Common sense tells you that since Ohio St gets the ball to start the second half, the worst case scenario you want to do (they have 2 TOs) is no points but not let them get the ball.
Here's Valley Boy's play calling sequence in that scenario:
1) pass to Amari Cooper for six yards
2) pass to DeAndrew White for two yards
3) incomplete pass to (are you ready for this?) - DeAndrew White
You need six feet, they haven't stopped Henry but one time (his 2nd carry), and you can keep the clock going. They haven't even really stopped TJ Yeldon though he hasn't had the explosive plays of Henry. Alabama at this point has called 12 runs and 12 passes (one Sims took and ran with it)
RUN YARDAGE - 80 yards
PASS YARDAGE - 52 yards
You're averaging 6.6 yards per rush.....and you don't hand the ball off once.
And in a must get 3rd and 2 pass play - you DON'T throw it to Amari Cooper, either.
Buckeyes get the ball and score, get the ball to start the 2nd half and score another TD...and we never got it going again. We fall behind, 27-21, and after we pick up a first down with Blake tucking and running and Yeldon getting 8 yards, we get this on 2nd and 2:
1) sack for 6 yard loss
2) sack for 9 yard loss
3) punt on 4th and 17
The next drive we start at our own one-yard line:
1) Yeldon for one yard
2) Yeldon for 10 yards (1st down)
3) Henry for 21 yards (1st down)
4) pass to Fowler for 4 yards
5) Henry stopped on 2nd down run play
6) Pick Six, down by 13
On the other thread one of our nice posters said Kiffin is a "genius" and how he rode the talents of Blake Sims, Jake Coker, and Jalen Hurts to 3 straight SEC titles, a national title, and a near miss.
Funny. Because if Kiffin had had his mind on developing Hurts in 2016 instead of his off-the-field activities, maybe Alabama isn't reduced to a one-man running back offense against Clemson, who left with a broken leg.
The greatest coach of all-time decided that Kiffin was not baggage worth keeping despite the upcoming game being winner-take-all so he threw him overboard. And guess what?
Kiffin just did the same kind of trick the last two weeks.
DeBoer has some problems he has to improve upon and everyone going the "but CNS" route needs to remember that CNS wasn't staying around for college players who "let you" coach them, either. That's not to give DeBoer a free pass, it's just to put it in larger context.
The Lane Kiffin of the last two weeks has been the narcissistic problem we saw two decades ago and one decade ago, and I don't want this guy anywhere near my football team.
Seriously - it would not be beyond him to have been our head coach, won last night, and then announced he was taking an NFL job but he wanted to stay through the playoffs.
I actually want him to go to LSU because for me that keeps the rivalry alive even though we didn’t get to keep them as our ‘official’ 3rd perm rival or whatever.
Even JessN acknowledged it this morning:
“But 10 wins, with the possibility of an 11thin a bowl, plus wins over all three of Alabama’s primary rivals (Auburn, Tennessee, LSU) has to count for something.”
I know relative to our entire history it’s a ‘New’ rivalry but that doesn’t water it down or lessen it.
I’m back to not liking Lane at all now. Not one bit and find the prospect of beating him at LSU highly enticing.
I hope this is the beginning of the end for him getting opportunities to be a HC for a major program.
I hope it’s an absolute DISASTER for him in BR.
What a throughly unlikable drama queen he still is after all and a serial saboteur to his own program.
Just a twerp.
Lane kiffin is great when he goes against Brent Venerables and Kirby Smart but let him go against someone he doesn’t respect and he will call nonsense that defies logic and make you question your sanity.
Again i think DeBoer’s issues are more to do with personnel and less about leadership or offensive competency. The only criticism i really have are the out of the blue gadget plays and us having so many deep routes on 3rd and short and 3rd and medium. But overall we are far more stable with what have than what a loud contingent of Alabama fans are envying. I guarantee you when LSU has to deal with Lane’s antics they will want to throw him into the bayou faster than you can say Brian Kelly if he doesn’t win a championship.
It's like Grubb had a lobotomy between offensive possessions last night.
And it wasn't his first this season, either.
I think Saban understood one aspect better than anyone else but - at the same time - missed another.
Saban made it clear he never wanted us to focus on any one opponent except the one we were playing next. That is admirable and it worked. And he understood there's only maybe 3 games a year you can get close to peak performance with emotion and you might need that far earlier than the season-ending rivalry game.
But as a consequence of that it made him emphasize the Iron Bowl less. And (not to rip him), but Saban played his college ball at Kent State. Unlike Perkins or DuBose or Shula, he'd not grown up with and played in the IB. Stallings (ATM) had played against Texas when it was huge and even Curry (for all of his flaws) had the Tech-UGA rivalry. Saban went to Kent State, whose big rival is Akron in something called the Wagon Wheel. Not the same, just not the same. At Sparty he was building a team and who REALLY was LSU's big rival when he was there? (Once upon a time you could make a case for Tulane or Ole Miss).
IOW - Saban doesn't bring the "you must win the rivalry game" approach, which works in every other game but works against you in the big one.
DeBoer will go a long way towards silencing his critics if he can beat UGA again next week. Thing is: our "flat" games are usually against teams we should steamroll and our "good" games tend to be against evenly matched foes.
Saban kinda did that with one difference: he didn't lose to the unranked teams but once.
Im not sure yet what CKD basis for success is but he has it. Its not substance with the media which makes me wonder how articulate he is with the team. I suspect he is a very genuine person who conveys and the players believe he cares about them. He probably is more engaging and accessible with the players than CNS.
He is not overly involved during the games because I dont see him talking into his headset often.
I think he is a very cerebral, introverted even, coach who studies a lot. But to date, he seems to know how to gameplan against th elite coaches in big games.
In a word, I think CKD is peculiar. I think he could be an absolute monster of a coach if he would understand when to apply the chokehold on his opponents. Not better than Saban, but do I think he could be better than Saban in approaching the big must win games, yes. The best Saban would beat you with brute force but oftentimes would get out schemed. I think CNS would have had trouble coaching against CKD for the same scheme. CKD seems to have his players mentally sharp.
So far we seem too inclined to let our opponent off the mat and have to play to the final whistle. If he can fix this, really within in his staff, then I think CKD can become very elite as a coach.
He is not overly involved during the games because I dont see him talking into his headset often.
I think he is a very cerebral, introverted even, coach who studies a lot. But to date, he seems to know how to gameplan against th elite coaches in big games.
In a word, I think CKD is peculiar. I think he could be an absolute monster of a coach if he would understand when to apply the chokehold on his opponents. Not better than Saban, but do I think he could be better than Saban in approaching the big must win games, yes. The best Saban would beat you with brute force but oftentimes would get out schemed. I think CNS would have had trouble coaching against CKD for the same scheme. CKD seems to have his players mentally sharp.
So far we seem too inclined to let our opponent off the mat and have to play to the final whistle. If he can fix this, really within in his staff, then I think CKD can become very elite as a coach.
DeBoers sideline emotion last night showed me he knew the game meant more than Nick. Nicks "Iron Bowl" was always LSU, not Auburn.
I mostly like the public persona of Kiffin, the plain-speaking master of social media. Various posters have outlined his coaching record, which is less impressive than my recollection. I'm prepared to accept that he has left the worst of his peccadilloes behind. But he is demonstrating right now why I would not want him for our head coach. He is too alive to the main chance to be relied upon when the chips are down.
Suggesting DeBoer needs to go to PSU is 100% moo-worthy.
I think CLK has matured some at Ole Mis.
I also think CLK is a great Offensive mind.
If CLK can mature more at LSU he could turn out to be someone I'd see as a possible future hire.
For years Lane has made no bones about Alabama being his dream job.
CLK may have slowed down some at 50, at least I think he has.
I don't hold Lanes past against him.
I say this because I was a drunk who changed his ways.
I have been sober for going on 7 years now.
If I can do it, so can he.
I want to see what Lane does at LSU. I don't hold his mouth against him. It's a Steve Spurrier thing.
I also think CLK is a great Offensive mind.
If CLK can mature more at LSU he could turn out to be someone I'd see as a possible future hire.
For years Lane has made no bones about Alabama being his dream job.
CLK may have slowed down some at 50, at least I think he has.
I don't hold Lanes past against him.
I say this because I was a drunk who changed his ways.
I have been sober for going on 7 years now.
If I can do it, so can he.
I want to see what Lane does at LSU. I don't hold his mouth against him. It's a Steve Spurrier thing.
Lane Kiffin’s problem(s) don’t stem from his having been a drunk for a short period. His drunkenness was a symptom of his narcissism, and only one way in which it manifested. Lanes problem is his personality and morals. Being sober just let him hide it better.
Kiffin has matured so much he's leaving OM in the middle of a CFP run and taking a bunch of coaches with him.
Definitely sounds like a wiser, more mature man.
Definitely sounds like a wiser, more mature man.
What Kiffin has done to OM is very similar to what fRAN did to Alabama in 2002.
I expect Kiffin’s LSU tenure to implode in much the same way fRAN’s did at A&M.
I would 100% rather have DeBoer at this juncture or any other one, as far as that goes.
I expect Kiffin’s LSU tenure to implode in much the same way fRAN’s did at A&M.
I would 100% rather have DeBoer at this juncture or any other one, as far as that goes.
CKD can earn credit with me handling UGA in the SECCG. If Alabama loses I fear the committee will break their own precedent and slide them out and ND just keeps moving on up on the strength of two quality loses. SMH
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