Would you prefer Lane Kiffin to coach Bama over KD?

[arthurdawg]

Why does divorce cost so much? Because it's worth it!

Or just mediate for cheap... Very much worth it! Hahaha!

 

[mlh]

SEC coaches will use this against Kiffin in recruiting.

"There are no guarantees Kiffin will still be the coach at LSU in 2 years. It depends on what other opportunities come along. He's already shown his lack of concern for his players when he left Ole Miss just as they're preparing for the playoffs. But one thing is for sure, if he doesn't win a NC in 4 years, LSU will kick him to the curb."

Right now, with the state of both programs, I think leaving Ole Miss for LSU is a mistake. I hope it all blows up in his face.

 

[81usaf92]

So Lane was scheduled for College Gameday today but backed out because of the questions that he would be asked… Good on College Gameday for exposing a scaredy cat.

 

[editder]

Here's something incredible:

Lane Kiffin has been passed over in his career NOT ONCE but TWICE for........Ed Orgeron.........

1) he was fired and left to find his way home at USC and Orgeron was the interim
2) he was the so-called lead candidate in 2016 and Orgeron got the job

@81usaf92 brings up a point I was going to make, but I got interrupted while writing that thesis above.

Kiffin's play calling in the Ohio State Sugar Bowl game in the 2014 playoff WAS - and remains - highly suspect. NO, I'm not saying "Kiffin is what lost us the game" (Kirby kinda got pantsed that night, too) but go back and look if you don't remember.

With less than 3 minutes left in the first half, we were leading, 21-13, and Derrick Henry had 7 carries for 56 yards and a TD. Common sense tells you that since Ohio St gets the ball to start the second half, the worst case scenario you want to do (they have 2 TOs) is no points but not let them get the ball.

Here's Valley Boy's play calling sequence in that scenario:
1) pass to Amari Cooper for six yards
2) pass to DeAndrew White for two yards
3) incomplete pass to (are you ready for this?) - DeAndrew White

You need six feet, they haven't stopped Henry but one time (his 2nd carry), and you can keep the clock going. They haven't even really stopped TJ Yeldon though he hasn't had the explosive plays of Henry. Alabama at this point has called 12 runs and 12 passes (one Sims took and ran with it)

RUN YARDAGE - 80 yards
PASS YARDAGE - 52 yards

You're averaging 6.6 yards per rush.....and you don't hand the ball off once.

And in a must get 3rd and 2 pass play - you DON'T throw it to Amari Cooper, either.


Buckeyes get the ball and score, get the ball to start the 2nd half and score another TD...and we never got it going again. We fall behind, 27-21, and after we pick up a first down with Blake tucking and running and Yeldon getting 8 yards, we get this on 2nd and 2:

1) sack for 6 yard loss
2) sack for 9 yard loss
3) punt on 4th and 17

The next drive we start at our own one-yard line:
1) Yeldon for one yard
2) Yeldon for 10 yards (1st down)
3) Henry for 21 yards (1st down)
4) pass to Fowler for 4 yards
5) Henry stopped on 2nd down run play
6) Pick Six, down by 13

On the other thread one of our nice posters said Kiffin is a "genius" and how he rode the talents of Blake Sims, Jake Coker, and Jalen Hurts to 3 straight SEC titles, a national title, and a near miss.

Funny. Because if Kiffin had had his mind on developing Hurts in 2016 instead of his off-the-field activities, maybe Alabama isn't reduced to a one-man running back offense against Clemson, who left with a broken leg.

The greatest coach of all-time decided that Kiffin was not baggage worth keeping despite the upcoming game being winner-take-all so he threw him overboard. And guess what?

Kiffin just did the same kind of trick the last two weeks.

DeBoer has some problems he has to improve upon and everyone going the "but CNS" route needs to remember that CNS wasn't staying around for college players who "let you" coach them, either. That's not to give DeBoer a free pass, it's just to put it in larger context.

The Lane Kiffin of the last two weeks has been the narcissistic problem we saw two decades ago and one decade ago, and I don't want this guy anywhere near my football team.

Seriously - it would not be beyond him to have been our head coach, won last night, and then announced he was taking an NFL job but he wanted to stay through the playoffs.

A couple of random thoughts to add:

1. In the Hail Mary at the end of the OSU game, Amari Cooper wasn’t even on the field.

2. Neither OU in 2013 (nothing to do with Kiffin) nor OSU in 2014 had any answer for Derrick Henry, yet they kept pulling him out of the game.

 

[uafan4life]

I don't know why there are this many replies - and I'm not going to read them all.

The correct answer is no...

 

[arthurdawg]

A couple of random thoughts to add:

1. In the Hail Mary at the end of the OSU game, Amari Cooper wasn’t even on the field.

2. Neither OU in 2013 (nothing to do with Kiffin) nor OSU in 2014 had any answer for Derrick Henry, yet they kept pulling him out of the game.

Criminal

 

[editder]

This what-have-you-done-for-me lately crap is beyond annoying. The program could’ve been irreparably damaged by CNS’ departure and the mass portal exodus of bag-chasers like Downs and Bond among others. CKD managed to keep a patchwork team with erratic QB play in contention for much of the season. In year 2 he beat 4 ranked teams in a row, including 2 on the road and has the team on the cusp of the SECCG and the CFP in the face of by far the toughest schedule in the top 25 - all with a roster still not entirely his own. Recruiting is going well with emphasis on areas of weakness (OL, RB). Oh, and he’s 2-0 against Kirby Smart. This is in a conference that is actively screwing his program via scheduling and officiating and a CFP committee that clearly wants them out if at all possible and during an age of NIL and the portal that has created more parity than ever. Yes, I still want us to win every game and the CFP every year, but I think CKD has handled following Saban as well as anyone could have.

Now then, let’s open up a case on Orbun tomorrow. RTR.

I’m all in with CKD right now. At the end of last season I might have had a different opinion. You have many valid points about CKD holding the team together and having to deal with a subpar QB and all the toxicity that went along with that. But let’s not pretend that 3 of the 4 losses weren’t really bad. If he had fallen to the 4 best teams on the schedule after a gallant effort it would have been easier to accept.

But right now I like where the program is. This year is a definite improvement over last year regardless of what happens from here on. Not just in the results of the games but also in the way they’ve cleaned up the mental errors and in the cohesion of the team. The guys all seem to like each other and play together very well.

Based on the current trajectory, they should be incrementally better next year and beyond. I think we’ll see a NC within a couple of years.

 

[arthurdawg]

Yes...I'm with giving DeBoer two more years.

Recruiting well, have worked the portal well, have survived playing brutal and unfair schedules. Even with our schedule difficulty, you have to add around 6 bye weeks for other SEC teams!

Moving along now would be folly. We'd make a lateral move at best and the roster would implode.

 

[DzynKingRTR]

Yes...I'm with giving DeBoer two more years.

Recruiting well, have worked the portal well, have survived playing brutal and unfair schedules. Even with our schedule difficulty, you have to add around 6 bye weeks for other SEC teams!

Moving along now would be folly. We'd make a lateral move at best and the roster would implode.

Stallings won it in year 3. Saban won it in year 3. Bryant didn't win until year 4. so at least give him 4.

Also Wade won it in year 3 and Thomas won it in year 4.

 

[arthurdawg]

Stallings won it in year 3. Saban won it in year 3. Bryant didn't win until year 4. so at least give him 4.

Also Wade won it in year 3 and Thomas won it in year 2.

I think with a rebuild of the OL and a solid couple of RBs and just keeping the rest of the team together we will be a top 5 unit. We are close... I'm still surprised at how bad the OL has been. And injuries... I think Jam is not what we've had, but I suspect a fully healthy Jame with an average OL rushes for 1000 easily.

 

[Isaiah 63:1]

When Franphony left for TAMU, I predicted that he would fail there because he would have no moral authority with his players because of “hold the rope“ and his subsequent dropping of it. That turned out to be prescient. I think Kiffin will suffer a similar fate at LSU, for a very similar reason. LSU isn’t a demonstrably superior job to Ole Miss in the current environment, and by staying put he had a chance to show that his character had evolved since 2016; but he showed that it hadn’t and that will hurt him at some point, and probably sooner rather than later…

 

[BamaInBham]

Stallings won it in year 3. Saban won it in year 3. Bryant didn't win until year 4. so at least give him 4.

Also Wade won it in year 3 and Thomas won it in year 2.

Thomas won a NC in year 4 - 1934.

 

[DzynKingRTR]

Thomas won a NC in year 4 - 1934.

Oops yeah, when I looked ot up I saw a gap because of the conference change from southern to SEC. my point is still valid

 

[RdunawayTX]

Is this stupid freezing cold take thread still going? Lol.

Ah, I see we've gone away from the original topic of discussion to some reasoned talk of past Alabama coaching hired. Well done.

 

[JayBama_in_PCOLA]

In a word, no.

 

[BamaInBham]

I think with a rebuild of the OL and a solid couple of RBs and just keeping the rest of the team together we will be a top 5 unit. We are close... I'm still surprised at how bad the OL has been. And injuries... I think Jam is not what we've had, but I suspect a fully healthy Jame with an average OL rushes for 1000 easily.

It hasn’t been nearly as bad as you and others are saying in regard to pass protection. Alabama is 5th in the SEC in sacks allowed. That’s the upper third of the league - they are above avg. QBs in the SEC get rushed and you have to be able to handle it. Another factor to note is that the RBs are responsible for some of the 22 sacks on ~440 attempts this year. E.g., vs OU 2 of the 4 sacks allowed were the responsibility of the RBs, 1 each on Miller and Hill. Also, Ty sometimes holds the ball too long - that’s on him. Finally, Alabama has played most of the elite pass rushers in the league: Mo, UT, USCe, OU & AU. They are above avg in the SEC at pass pro.

The run blocking is different but it is improving. The last 3 reg season games’ run game improved. Vs UGA they didn’t try: 7 runs by the RBs for 21 yards.

Part of the run game issue is that the RBs are JAGs, though Miller has shown flashes.

As great as Ty was thru UT, and he was not good, he was great overall; and though he is not the only issue, IMO, he is the primary issue. He is inaccurate and makes bad too many bad decisions. It’s baffling. It seems like it must be mental but who knows.

To reiterate: though the OL, OC, and WRs all could be better, IMO, the current offensive problems are not primarily on the OL but on Ty.