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[CrimsonJazz]

Yeah, also I watched about 7 minutes of a 15 minute interview with the Disney CEO and he was bragging about how well the company is doing.

By what metric? I mean, when was the last good movie they actually released? It has been so long, I honestly can't remember.

 

[mlh]

The only reason I signed up for YTTV was for college football. And over the last several years the price has doubled. A $20 credit, only applied if I extend my subscription for another month, isn't enough to make me stick around. I was considering dumping it anyway due to the cost. Now it's a no-brainer.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

The only reason I signed up for YTTV was for college football. And over the last several years the price has doubled. A $20 credit, only applied if I extend my subscription for another month, isn't enough to make me stick around. I was considering dumping it anyway due to the cost. Now it's a no-brainer.

I think they'll come to a resolution with Disney but it won't be until after football season. Right now too many people are switching to ESPN Plus or Fubo to watch their CFB. But as soon as the season is over a lot of those customers will dump ESPN Plus and possibly Fubo, which will mean loss of viewership numbers. At that point I think Disney will bend. YTTV (I don't think) is budging.

 

[Bama_N_Va]

I watch Bama football one of three ways:

1. On national TV using Free over the Air transmission (have an antenna in my attic)
2. At a bar, but I eat before I go and only order ginger ale (yes, I'm cheap like that...)
3. At a friends house.

All those streaming services you guys mention.....not in my lifetime!!!!

 

[BamaNation]

Saw a blurb earlier this morning that YTTV & Disney have agreed to terms on ESPN & Disney channel(s) but the sticking point is ABC carriage fees. Apparently, the CEOs of Alphabet (google) and Disney are personally involved now.

Pretty stinging quote about it all by Mike Florio of NBCsports:

Regardless, both sides need to get a deal done. With each passing day, it becomes more and more clear that they do not care about the consumers.

I mean, we already knew they didn’t. But there are certain moments where it makes sense to pretend otherwise. This should be one of them.

 

[arthurdawg]

I ended up reviewing my streaming and chopped them down to Netflix, Apple, and trusty old Amazon with a sub for Paramount.

Should cover us for a year.

 

[CB4]

I watch Bama football one of three ways:

1. On national TV using Free over the Air transmission (have an antenna in my attic)
2. At a bar, but I eat before I go and only order ginger ale (yes, I'm cheap like that...)
3. At a friends house.

All those streaming services you guys mention.....not in my lifetime!!!!

Like I said in an earlier post, if I didn’t have grandkids that are here frequently, I would have already dumped all streaming services, purchased a digital antenna and live “with what I get”.

This episode has taught me, like MLB and the NFL lessons before, that I can live without college football. I can find better things to do.

 

[Padreruf]

Like I said in an earlier post, if I didn’t have grandkids that are here frequently, I would have already dumped all streaming services, purchased a digital antenna and live “with what I get”.

This episode has taught me, like MLB and the NFL lessons before, that I can live without college football. I can find better things to do.

I could go with an antennae in my attic, but am clueless as to how to connect it to 4 televisions. I do have cable connections in each room...wondering if I could run a cable from the antennae to the main outlet...I am so engineering stupid...I cannot even fix the thermocouple on my gas fireplace.

 

[CoolBreeze]

Like I said in an earlier post, if I didn’t have grandkids that are here frequently, I would have already dumped all streaming services, purchased a digital antenna and live “with what I get”.

This episode has taught me, like MLB and the NFL lessons before, that I can live without college football. I can find better things to do.

My Dad was blind and I grew up listening to games on the radio anyway. When I lived overseas, Pops would call me with his international plan, put the phone next to the radio and I would listen to the games live. Man, what a memory. That is when I first found this forum.

 

[CrimsonNagus]

Trying to find out the latest in the negotiations from a Google search and it reveals nothing significant.

I saw a headline that said Disney is losing 30 million a day, which I find hard to believe. Yet, Google can't seem to get anywhere.

Are you sure it was per day? The only article I found says 30 million a week: https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/disney-losing-30m-week-youtube-tv-blackout-drags-on-analysts-say

These estimates are based on the estimate that Disney gets around $12-$15 per subscriber per month from YTTV. With 10 million subscribers, that's $120-$150 million a month ($4-$5 million a day) Disney is missing out on by not having an agreement. Now, we don't know how many subscribers have moved to another service, which would carve into those numbers.


Everyone saying Disney wants people to move to ESPN Unlimited is wrong. Now, they probably don't mind people switching to Fubo or Hulu Live TV because those are still TV services. But they do not want a huge number of people dropping any TV service. The carriage deals are all based on the number of subscribers and how much Disney is paid per subscriber, whether they watch ESPN or not. If the numbers drop, then it devalues their product, and the next carriage deals will go very badly for ESPN.

Not enough sports fans will ever subscribe to ESPN Unlimited to make it more valuable than the money they get from the non-sports watchers through these carriage deals. ESPN's main target for its new service is the 60 million people who do not pay for TV at all.

 

[oskie]

I could go with an antennae in my attic, but am clueless as to how to connect it to 4 televisions. I do have cable connections in each room...wondering if I could run a cable from the antennae to the main outlet...I am so engineering stupid...I cannot even fix the thermocouple on my gas fireplace.

Padre, if your existing "cable connections" are coaxial, then you should be able to just plug your digital antennae into the input of the cable box your cable provider used. This is often mounted on the exterior of your home.

In the past, I just put the antennae on a six foot pole and propped it against the outside wall of my house, where the old cable box hookup entered the house. Now, I just prop it up beside the TV, since we only use one TV now. Just connected it back up last week to watch the LSU game.
.

 

[oskie]

I could go with an antennae in my attic, but am clueless as to how to connect it to 4 televisions. I do have cable connections in each room...wondering if I could run a cable from the antennae to the main outlet...I am so engineering stupid...I cannot even fix the thermocouple on my gas fireplace.

You can't be that "engineering stupid" - you at least know what a thermocouple is.

 

[Bama_N_Va]

I could go with an antennae in my attic, but am clueless as to how to connect it to 4 televisions. I do have cable connections in each room...wondering if I could run a cable from the antennae to the main outlet...I am so engineering stupid...I cannot even fix the thermocouple on my gas fireplace.

You would need to run a coax from the antenna into a 4-way splitter with gain amplifier. At least this is what I think you need...

grok, can i use an antenna to get TV signals to multiple TVs?

Yes, you can use one antenna to get TV signals to multiple TVs using a coaxial cable splitter
. However, this will weaken the signal, so a powered distribution amplifier may be needed, especially if you are connecting to many TVs or your signal is already weak. Another option is using wireless TV tuners, which connect to the antenna and stream the signal to other TVs in your home.

 

[BamaNation]

You can't be that "engineering stupid" - you at least know what a thermocouple is.

what's a thermo couple?

 

[dtgreg]

Yep, and it is amazing how many people just gloss over this part. This credit is not about caring for their customers. It is about retaining subscribers while the channels are still dark.

This offer...
1 - Requires you to pay for an additional month, whether the channels return or not.
2 - Technically, they don't have to pay anything out; they just take in less.
3 - Requiring your users to do the legwork means they hope not many will bother.

These are not the actions of a company that cares about its users. If they really cared, they would have issued a refund for a portion of the current month's bill since we paid for those channels already and cannot watch.

I canceled the second I saw the "on your next bill" line. They are not tricking me into sticking around when there is no resolution in sight.

I wonder if you accept their "refund" it prohibits you from participation in any Class Action (Walmart/Facebook,etc) settlements later?

 

[Padreruf]

You can't be that "engineering stupid" - you at least know what a thermocouple is.

Only from watching a YouTube video!!! LOL.

 

[CrimsonCleanse]

I don't know why Disney and YTTV don't just publicly divorce already and be done with it. This is just unreal that they haven't been able to work anything out

 

[dtgreg]

I don't know why Disney and YTTV don't just publicly divorce already and be done with it. This is just unreal that they haven't been able to work anything out

it seems like it's just an act and we're the suckers

 

[CrimsonNagus]

I don't know why Disney and YTTV don't just publicly divorce already and be done with it. This is just unreal that they haven't been able to work anything out

Because they both need each other. Disney can't lose the revenue from 10 million subscribers, and YTTV will not be as popular (currently the 4th largest TV provider in the country) without the Disney/ESPN channels.

The one caveat, Google as a company does not need YTTV. The service is a rounding error in the larger picture of the company, so what does Google want internally? Do they want to become the #1 TV provider, or are they okay with giving up ground to the services below them? If they wish to be #1, they have to have these channels.

 

[CB4]

I don't know why Disney and YTTV don't just publicly divorce already and be done with it. This is just unreal that they haven't been able to work anything out

They are going to counseling. They want to “stay together” for us…”the children”.