Question: Miles vs. Saban: Bringing the gavel down

[LSUFan21]

Probably because Less likes to run his pie hole so much....... and the fact that you guys whine that you'd been better last year if you hadn't lost your starting QB, well guess what all the warning signs with RP were there long before any real action was taken, Less gambled and almost lost his team he DID lose his season because he put all his eggs in RP's basket and did not seriously develop another QB until he was finally FORCED to do something with RP. Then it was too late. Bad coaching and worse leadership.

We also hear about how great a game day coach he is and I also remember him lucking out against the barn any real coach would have managed the clock and taken the three but Less got lucky no other explination, and you can argue till your blue and orange in the face but deep inside you know he got lucky more than once in 2007. You folks also crow about beating Ohio St like a drum probably 4 or 5 SEC teams would have beaten them as bad or worse.

That's why Miles........................

Man, you guys are touchy about a simple question. I'm not flaming or disparaging Bama in any way, and I've got some guys trying to run me off the board for asking a question.

Think what you want to about Miles. Perriloux never broke the law or got arrested. Miles tried to reform him. Spurrier has Garcia over at SC and no one says a word. The guy has been to jail and has been suspended like 3 times.As for Miles not developing the back ups, the back ups were freshmen. How many freshman QB's play really well. Still, we were 2 plays away from going 10-3 last year.

Here is what happened in the Auburn game: the play was sent in with over 30 seconds left. Lots of coaches take a shot at the end zone in that situation because a FG is not a sure thing. Flynn took forever to get the play off. The pass was incomplete with 4 seconds left and the clock kept running to 1.

It's fine not to like Miles. He coaches a team you hate. I get that. I just don't understand why every mistake he makes is magnified and why every success is diminished. Richt laid a big egg this year, yet no one cares. Spurrier is a shell of who he used to be. Meyer goes 9-4 last year with the Heisman winning QB, and no one questions him. Saban gets blown out by Utah and he's a genius. The list goes on and on. I understand that you don't like Miles. But, Bama fans seem to more than a little interested in proving that he sucks as a coach. I think that it makes you guys feel even better about Saban than you do. Saban is a great coach in his own right, better than Miles or just about anyone else. All the stuff about Miles isn't necessary, though, because he is a good coach in his own right.

Anyway, Miles doesn't need my defense. Just offseason chatter. Bama fans can see it how they see it. That's cool with me.
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[CullmanTide]

LSU21 let me ask you a question. Why is it you and others like you come on this Alabama board and insult us because we love and support our team its coaches and players? This is an Alabama board, of coarse we are a bunch of homers. Should I go on an LSU site and expect anything different?

 

[bayoutider]

Still waiting for an answer to my question. Why are Bama fans so interested in pointing out that Saban is a better coach than Miles?

We are just baiting you to come argue with us

Ever since Alabama hired Saban, there has been an incessant proclamation from Bama fans that Saban is a god and Miles sucks. Why the comparison?

Oh please. Like we don't see the same thing on LSU boards in reverse.

So again, why do you care about Les Miles so much? I don't see nearly the attention given to Houston Nutt, Petrino, Urban Meyer, Mark Richt, Steve Spurrier, etc. Why Miles?

Obviously you don't read all our threads. All of those plus Fullmer, Chezek and Kiffin get plenty of space, well maybe not Petrino at least not yet.

 

[LSUFan21]

LSU21 let me ask you a question. Why is it you and others like you come on this Alabama board and insult us because we love and support our team its coaches and players? This is an Alabama board, of coarse we are a bunch of homers. Should I go on an LSU site and expect anything different?

Whoa, wait a minute. When have I ever insulted you or any Bama fans on this board? I have been here for a year and a half and have over 300 posts. If I were insulting Bama fans, I would have been banned right away. Tidefans is known as one of the strictest boards around for that type of thing. I have said nothing disparaging to Bama fans, Saban, or anything about the Alabama program.

I simply asked why Bama fans seemed to be so invested in declaring Les Miles an idiot coach who is destroying LSU football. You are welcome to that belief and you can hate LSU all you want. I get that. I was just wondering why it mattered to you on the level it does. I asked the question and several people told me to leave the board. I said that some guys seem touchy about this. If calling some guys "touchy" who told me to leave the board over asking a question is seen as an insult, I apologize. Frankly, I was a little surprised by the response that my question engendered because I am usually able to have some pretty intelligent football discussions with Alabama fans here.

I don't post here to flame or run down Alabama. I know that is not allowed here, so I don't engage in it. But, I had a question and I asked it thinking that someone like BET, or BamaBuzzard might jump in and give me some insight, not into why Bama fans disliked Miles (I get that), but into why there is so much talk about him being a horrible coach and why every mistake he makes is magnified, as though other coaches don't make mistakes.

I'm sorry if I offended anyone with the question. I know not to flame or criticize, but I did not anticipate that I was stepping over some kind of line with you guys. Now I know. Your house, your rules. I won't ask that kind of question again around here.

 

[crimson_blood]

Why are Bama fans so interested in pointing out that Saban is a better coach than Miles? Why the regular insistence that he isn't as good as Saban?

The Louisiana HS head football coaches unanimously said Saban was a better coach than Lester...we didn't say it, your HS coaches did. That's not even an issue to me. It's obvious.

why do you care about Les Miles so much?

I don't. Honest and truly I don't care about Less Miles. He just reminds me so much of Elmer Fudd. And I hate the way he talks with the "ahhhh ahhhh ahhhh yeah ahhhhhh ahhhhh..."

 

[LSUFan21]

We are just baiting you to come argue with us



Oh please. Like we don't see the same thing on LSU boards in reverse.



Obviously you don't read all our threads. All of those plus Fullmer, Chezek and Kiffin get plenty of space, well maybe not Petrino at least not yet.

Yes, you do see the same thing on LSU boards in reverse. I don't deny that at all. That is why I told you why LSU fans hate Saban. I also get why Bama fans don't like Miles. I just didn't understand why they point out so much that he is such an inferior coach, considering that he's 42-11 with an SEC Title, a National Title, and is about to bring in the #1 recruiting class. What is the interest in disparaging him that way?

Your third quote likely answered my question. Thanks Bayoutider. That makes sense. Honestly, I don't read your threads about Chizik, Kiffin, Fulmer, etc. This is a Bama board and I generally stick to commenting on stuff that pertains to LSU and I try to do so in a constructive way. I pretty much ignore what you guys have to say about other coaches. So, I didn't think about that. It just seemed to me that Miles gets the brunt because I don't read everything else. Makes sense.

Question asked. Question answered. Thanks Bayoutider!

 

[bayoutider]

Your third quote likely answered my question. Thanks Bayoutider. That makes sense. Honestly, I don't read your threads about Chizik, Kiffin, Fulmer, etc. This is a Bama board and I generally stick to commenting on stuff that pertains to LSU and I try to do so in a constructive way. I pretty much ignore what you guys have to say about other coaches. So, I didn't think about that. It just seemed to me that Miles gets the brunt because I don't read everything else. Makes sense.

Question asked. Question answered. Thanks Bayoutider!

I aim to please

 

[RammerJammer14]

Whoa, wait a minute. When have I ever insulted you or any Bama fans on this board? I have been here for a year and a half and have over 300 posts. If I were insulting Bama fans, I would have been banned right away.

Why was it you joined in July 07 again?

 

[LSUFan21]

Why was it you joined in July 07 again?

So I could get here one month before you did.

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Seriously, it surely wasn't to insult Bama fans. I wouldn't have lasted a week if I had. Every LSU fan who regularly posts here like, Red55, Fishhead, LSUFan10, or LSU63 knows that. So, I try and be cordial.

I came here to interact with Bama fans because I live in Alabama and hear about Alabama constantly. This is the only Bama board I go to. They are the team that I know the most about besides LSU. Put Saban as their coach, and I am interested in what is going on in Tuscaloosa and what you guys think about it. About a year ago, I decided to pretty much only post on LSU related threads unless I had a question about something related to Bama that you guys haven't already addressed. That is rare. So, over 320 posts that are almost all related to LSU. There is just about as much discussion about LSU over here as there is on LSU boards and it's a whole lot more fun! :biggrin:

 

[RammerJammer14]

So I could get here one month before you did.


Seriously, it surely wasn't to insult Bama fans. I wouldn't have lasted a week if I had. Every LSU fan who regularly posts here like, Red55, Fishhead, LSUFan10, or LSU63 knows that. So, I try and be cordial.

I came here to interact with Bama fans because I live in Alabama and hear about Alabama constantly. This is the only Bama board I go to. They are the team that I know the most about besides LSU. Put Saban as their coach, and I am interested in what is going on in Tuscaloosa and what you guys think about it.

Yeah I know. Just trying to get you to admit that Saban had something to do with your presence here.:biggrin:

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Someone please answer this question:

Why do Alabama fans constantly feel the need to make the point that they think that Les Miles is a horrible coach? Why do you care? It looks like unbelievable insecurity to me. Being an LSU fan living in Alabama, I hear it constantly on the radio, from Bama fans, and on message boards. Who cares?

I'll give you my two cents. Your board is constantly littered with anti Saban threads, comments and bashing remarks about anything that is Bama. Your reasons for not liking Saban are no more valid than Bama fans' thinking Miles is a knuckle dragger. You've won a NC and an SEC title WITHOUT SABAN yet your fans continue to hate on Saban like a jilted highschool break up. So your fans also have the "unbelievable insecurity" virus as well. So I think instead of asking us "why do we care" you might want to start a thread on some of your own boards asking the same question.

As you live in Alabama and "here it". I live in Louisiana and "here it more". It is freakin' unbelievable how attached these LSU fans are to Alabama's program since Saban is here. Yet all they talk about is "we got the better coach". Really! You could have fooled me.

They are both good coaches.

 

[DawgWill]

Saban v. Miles?

Let me put it this way, who exactly would pick Miles besides LSU fans? :conf2:

 

[LSUFan21]

Saban v. Miles?

Let me put it this way, who exactly would pick Miles besides LSU fans? :conf2:

The number 1 recruiting class in America? :biggrin:

 

[wastedmason]

The number 1 recruiting class in America? :biggrin:

Getting a little ahead of yourself ain't you bud? In fact if everything ends up as they are LSU would only be #1 on Rivals unlike last year when Bama was for the most part a consensus #1.

 

[CullmanTide]

I was thinking LSU fans were obsessed with Saban. Fact is they are no different than us or barn fans. We are all obsessed with Alabama.

 

[bilbo]

I forgot who said it but I think this may put this whole argument into perspective: "when people are NOT talking about you it's time to worry..."

 

[Crimson Speed]

This has been a good read; I have really enjoyed the healthy sparring.

Here's my two cents. I'm not convinced Miles could take a program in shambles and rebuild it to championship form. Saban has proven his ability to do it, more than once.

Miles had incredible luck in winning the 07 National Championship. He made some irrational play calls on the field and the ball just happened to bounce LSU's way. Any objective observer can see that this happened. I will be the first to admit that luck counts and it led the way to the big prize for LSU. But, I am not convinced that luck should solidify Miles as a great coach.

If I happened to be a LSU fan, I would probably be defending him. Seeing through purple glasses will do that. But, standing on the Tide side of the field, I see it quite differently. If LSU happened to have a head coaching vacancy and both Miles and Saban were available for the taking, you can't convince me that LSU would not take Saban in a heartbeat over Miles. It's that simple.

Bama is very happy with the direction of our program. As another poster stated, Saban has the personality to stand up and demand that he will not allow boosters or board members to meddle in the program. To say that our program needed such a strong leader is an understatement.
I think this issue will play itself out with the seasonal results over the next two or three years. One team will be dissappointed and I don't think it will be the Crimson Tide.

 

[LCN]

That's fine, we differ in our opinions. Just name me one solid reason Saban is the clear cut leader between the two. Just one.

One more time . Read my initial post . Several reason are given . If you need more , just ask .

It's apparently very important for you guys to have the "best" coach, so I understand your insistence that Les can't "really" coach. But as far as LSU fans are concerned (and I speak for more of them than you do), we haven't had a bad coach in 9 years and we wouldn't trade Les for Nick. You are right in that none of us think that Nick is a bad coach, but none of us think Les is either. We think they have been equally good at their jobs but the difference for us is . . . Nick had a chance to take his dream job in the NFL and he walked. Les had a chance to take his dream job at his alma mater Michigan . . . and he stayed.

Red , it's not important , it's obvious :wink:

I know at least a hundred or so who would make the trade without pause . That's probably I've given you a hard time in the past . I have dozens of relatives as well as several friends in Louisiana and never once have any of them ever said to me that they thought or believed CLM was better or even comparable to Coach Saban .

Have any of them stressed to me their love & respect for Coach Saban ? Absolutely .

Do any of them credit Coach Saban as being largely responsible for LSU's success under Miles ? A whole lot of them have .

Do any of them question Miles's abilities as a head coach ? Yes .

Do any of them question CNS's abilities as a head coach ? No .

Those are the views and opinions LSU fans have expressed to me during each of my 6 trips to Louisiana over the past 24 months .

LSU had the best argument of all the 2 loss teams. The fact that we were SEC champs while Ga. didn't even play in the game (and got smoked by Tenn. 35-7, I think) USC lost to a pitifull Stanford, and the huge win over Va. Tech got us in.

It was probably those late losses to close the season by Missouri & W.Virginia :wink:

So I could get here one month before you did.

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Nicely done

I was thinking LSU fans were obsessed with Saban. Fact is they are no different than us or barn fans. We are all obsessed with Alabama.

Ding , ding !

 

[LSU63]

an 8 page thread comparing the Bama and LSU coaches, looks like there's some purple and gold (or at least a tight high hat) obsession going on, too.

 

[CullmanTide]

an 8 page thread comparing the Bama and LSU coaches, looks like there's some purple and gold (or at least a tight high hat) obsession going on, too.

No not an obsession. Seems more like an infestation. Oh just messin with ya!