The five Ohio State players didn't do anything wrong

[cuda.1973]

Yep, we need to pay 'em.

Those tattoos and diamond stud earrings are expensive. How are they going to take care of their baby's momma, after all their cash goes to more important stuff?

When I sign on to work for a corporation, I have to sign a piece of paper that assigns any patents I may be granted, over to them. So, they get rich, off of my creativity, and I get my name on some piece of paper. Guess I need the IEEE to come to my rescue.

 

[RTR Lady]

These players accepted the opportunity to get an education at taxpayer expense to the tune of over 100k.
These players agreed to abide by a set of rules in return.
They did not do so.

This relationship is nowhere close to "slave labor". As far as I am aware, slaves do not get an education that
adds such value to the future of said slave.

Whether or not the State profits from that relationship is unimportant. The bottom line is that these young men made an agreement to follow a set of rules in return for an education that is for the most part outside of the realm of possibility for the average young person.

They willingly failed in their agreement.

In fact, It would stand to reason that the State could in fact sue for a breech of contract.

I don't understand why so many people decide to take up for a few young men that feel as though they are above the law and rules are made for everyone BUT them.

Do taxpayers pay for player education or does it come out of the athletic fund? I always thought it came from the athletic fund but maybe I'm wrong.

 

[Honden]

Do taxpayers pay for player education or does it come out of the athletic fund? I always thought it came from the athletic fund but maybe I'm wrong.

Who pays the salaries of the various professors ? Who pays the utility bills for the campus? Who maintains the libraries? Ect

 

[h2o]

"Some may disagree with me on this, but I think college football isn't much better than slave labor".

OK. Count me in as one who disagrees. LeBron James, now he was treated like "slave labor".
I work for a company whos CEO gets millions of dollars in bonuses and stocks every year while I get a salary and zero bonuses. I knew that when I signed on to work for this company. If I am unhappy with that situation all I have to do is turn in my resignation papers.
On a side note I have already put one child through college at UA and my middle daughter is at UA right now with my youngest daughter to enroll in 1&half more years. I can speak from personal experience that these college athletes on full scholarship are being paid very well. Maybe not in cash terms but in other terms. Everytime my daughter has to take out another student loan I get frustrated when I hear someone say so and so athlete should be paid X amount of money. They are indirectly.

 

[Saban14]

And this is the problem with that type of ridiculous hyperbole. He makes some good points, but I am inclined to simply ignore them because of his sensationalist, and frankly disgusting, allusion to slavery.

+1

This is almost as sad as several of our members trying to make DUI's sound acceptable due to age.

In my humble opinion, these guys knew the rules and decided to break them anyway. If they are poor, used up individuals, then they can gladly go back home and not ever play a down of college football again.

 

[Tide Warrior]

Agree they broke the rules, but I also agree the rule is a joke. If you own something you should have the right to sell it. No different if the players after he leaves school decides to sell hte Rose Bowl ring. It is theirs, they earned it, so be it. In the current language of the rule they broke it because they are still playing but again the NCAA is like our current legal system. One that has more flawes in it than it promotes justice.

 

[ecra-joe]

I'm sorry. I don't feel bad for anyone receiving a free education. Or all the extras that come with being on a div 1 football team. The fact that they are amateurs and play for pride and the team is why I love college football and find the NFL boring

 

[davefrat]

I'm sorry. I don't feel bad for anyone receiving a free education. Or all the extras that come with being on a div 1 football team. The fact that they are amateurs and play for pride and the team is why I love college football and find the NFL boring

yup. and something that's seemingly lost on a lot of people is the stuff these guys sold. if they gave a rip about OSU's tradition (and love them or hate them, they have a great history) and the glory of college football or whatever nonesense i've heard from some media types, they wouldn't part with it for a couple grand or whatever they got.

 

[RTR Lady]

Who pays the salaries of the various professors ? Who pays the utility bills for the campus? Who maintains the libraries? Ect

I was referring to the money for their tuition, board and books. Of course taxpayers support the University as a whole.

 

[Honden]

I was referring to the money for their tuition, board and books. Of course taxpayers support the University as a whole.

I assume that the cost is paid through a general scholarship fund.

 

[patman]

Agree they broke the rules, but I also agree the rule is a joke. If you own something you should have the right to sell it. No different if the players after he leaves school decides to sell hte Rose Bowl ring. It is theirs, they earned it, so be it. In the current language of the rule they broke it because they are still playing but again the NCAA is like our current legal system. One that has more flawes in it than it promotes justice.

For the most part, I agree with this. The problem I do see with this is that when you get overzealous boosters, you can have certain star players getting rediculous amounts of money for their property. For example, if MI was offered $500,000 for a game worn jersey, he'd potentially be less inclined to go pro. It just looks like the NCAA wanted to stop this before it got out of control and for this, I understand. I might not necessarily agree, but I do understand.

 

[Tide Warrior]

I was reading the OSU boards and alot of the fans believe they should have to sit for the bowl game and some really hope TP goes pro. They seem to be very unhappy with him.

 

[cuda.1973]

Seems you are right.............they aren't happy. (Are they ever?)

Should Tressel sit his suspended players for the Sugar Bowl?

 

[buzzincuzzin]

He pretty well called Jim out didn't he?

 

[Tidetwin]

The players knew better and The institution (OSU) has lowered its own standards in covering for them.

We have entered a new universe in wake of the NCAAs Cam ruling and a lot of schools will be dancing through this loophole until it is closed.

 

[Bama Greg]

These players accepted the opportunity to get an education at taxpayer expense to the tune of over 100k.
These players agreed to abide by a set of rules in return.
They did not do so.

This relationship is nowhere close to "slave labor". As far as I am aware, slaves do not get an education that
adds such value to the future of said slave.

Whether or not the State profits from that relationship is unimportant. The bottom line is that these young men made an agreement to follow a set of rules in return for an education that is for the most part outside of the realm of possibility for the average young person.

They willingly failed in their agreement.

In fact, It would stand to reason that the State could in fact sue for a breech of contract.

I don't understand why so many people decide to take up for a few young men that feel as though they are above the law and rules are made for everyone BUT them.

I understand your argument, but is it fair for a student on an academic scholarship to be able to get a parttime job to earn money to maybe take a date out on a weekend - vs - a student athlete who is not allowed to get a parttime job, because of the rules.

I don't think it is fair, these guys make the Universities millions of dollars, and helps fund the very scholarships of the students that don't play sports at all. Its a double standard in my opinion.

Just my 2 cents worth.

 

[jps1983]

I was reading the OSU boards and alot of the fans believe they should have to sit for the bowl game and some really hope TP goes pro. They seem to be very unhappy with him.

It makes sense for them to be unhappy b/c he has really underachieved and never really developed as a good passer. Throw in the attitude/ego and he is a cancer in the program for sure.

 

[Bamaro]

They got what they deserved

 

[BocaLance]

In addition to the free education, their books, room/board, meals, medical treatment, tutors, stipends, all come for free. That is probably several hundred thousand dollars per player. A lot of mid to lower level football programs are barely in the black after the season b/c of all the expenses that a traveling team/ practice facility maintenance; salaried coaches/ trainers require. Yes, the "big" schools make money, but you do realize that football is the only revenue generating sport for most schools so its revenue has to pay for the athletes and expenses in every other area right? If football players are to be paid, should all collegiate athletes be paid too then? Who is to determine what "fair compensation" is and is it the same for every player at one school or all schools? The list of questions is endless and would create a whole new bureaucracy in addition to the NCAA.

As an aside, how is it un-American? I'd agree the NCAA has some un-American rules that try to add parity to the game at the expense of the "big" schools. There is no violation of free enterprise...these kids can sell their jerseys without criminal prosecution, but face punishment from the NCAA which is an agreement these kids entered into voluntarily. In my eyes, it is similar to the contracts going into the military. You give up certain rights/abilities that are otherwise afforded to all Americans in exchange for receiving certain benefits not available to all Americans.

Agreed.
And if playing college football is such a financial burden, these kids should choose a different direction.

 

[Tide Warrior]

I will disagree about the military. Can not compare it because once you are in there are very few ways to get out and the jurisdiction by the military trumps any other law. A player on scholarship can leave on his on accord at any time and when the NCAA enforces something they do not like they can go to the legal system for justice.

The NCAA is suppose to govern NCAA athletics to provide every program the same opportunity to succeed. I guess they really screwed the pooch when the they allowed the BCS to step over them and pick which conference get what opportunity. The NCAA is also suppose to look out for the best interest of each athlete participating but that seems to be motivated by greed.

Sorry yes they broke rules they know were there so yes they need to be punished, but please get off the soap box that the rules are good rules. Sorry I do not see how it gives the OSU football program an advanatge over other schools and that should be the only thing the NCAA should be concerned with. Yes receiving extra benefits prior to enrolling during the recruitment process to secure a top recruit is one thing but a player selling something that belongs to them after they are a part of the team does not create an unfair advantage. AGain they knew better but it is a stupid rule to be enforced and should be thrown out. Just like many of the stupid laws we are suppose to live by that we do not in this country.