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Re: PSU Coach Joe Paterno fired!

major tidefan said:
Barry Switzer is 100% correct about this.

Switzer also expressed doubt that Paterno did not know about the accusations against his former top assistant, Jerry Sandusky. For as much time as big-time college coaches spend with their staffs, there are very few secrets.“Having been in this profession a long time and knowing how close coaching staffs are, I knew that this was a secret that was kept secret,” Switzer said. “Everyone on that staff had to have known, the ones that had been around a long time.”Switzer said the scandal at Penn State is part of a larger epidemic at universities where the size and power of certain sports programs becomes so great that it becomes bigger than the school it represents. Penn State, despite its reputation, was not immune.“I'll tell you how it happens — it's the American sports phenomenon,” Switzer said. “I've seen it happen all my life. We've made coaches and players and athletes more than what we are. It's what happens in American sports. Because of that, they've gotten away with more than they should have.
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Well, Switzer is sort of an expert on "getting way with more than you should have" and scandal. The sad thing is that he's probably right about what he said.
 
My thoughts on JoPa and PSU.

The more I have had time to ponder my reaction to the events that have unfolded it is hard to imagine what was allowed to transpire at Penn State University. Not just as a college football fan, but as a parent and a human I am appalled that these actions were basically granted the freedom to move forward and strip away the innocence of these children. That people such as the students and fans of the Penn State University football team have come to defend Paterno and the school. There is no excuse for what transpired and everyone with knowledge should be held accountable to the highest degree, meaning any penalty that can be served to the max by the courts for the individual that is in question(Sandusky) and every person with knowledge of these deviant acts be charged with accessory to the crime. To those that disagree that is your opinion, but the fact is these malicious acts go far beyond the authority of the university, the staff, or the President of the school. They should have been reported immediately to the police, but were ignored to protect the program. And no I do not think that Joe Paterno did enough or should be permitted to avoid facing the courts for his part in these crimes since he himself could have contacted the authorities to stop these crimes from perpetuating any further. His failure to act on the moral obligation as a human with any sense of decency just demonstrates his inability to see past the program and showed no concern for these children assaulted. Even if at the time it may have cost him his job, he still should have reported it to the police instead of protecting his reputation and the reputation of the football program he built. That reputation would have been better served by demonstrating that football is not the end all.

This is a sad day not only in sports but in society when we see such malicious acts of this nature take place and not halted only to protect the image of the program and the school. In my opinion the NCAA should step in and suspend the football program until further notice to a point where the school can demonstrate that all people, not just the student athlete, that partakes in any activities that are facilitated on the campus under the direction or authority of the football program, can be protected and measures will be put in place that will prevent future acts of this nature from transpiring. I know someone will say it is not fair to the players, fans, or students who support the school, but tell me how it is fair to all these children who were molested. Go look in their eyes and tell them, hey JoPa did what he thought was enough or that Penn State University football is good for all in light of what happen to you. Because I would think all of them would disagree and rightfully so. All Penn State University football did was strip away their innocence in an act that is unimaginable by most. Sorry but college football is not greater than the right of individuals and the fans, universities, and the NCAA should not tolerate these acts. If there was ever a text book definition of "failure to monitor" or "loss of institutional control" this is it. Hands downs I do not know of any incident with any college program that would ever come close to comparing with the atrocities that transpired at PSU and we have yet to see the worse of it as more victims come forward. The courts should determine the fate of Sandusky and everyone with knowledge of covering it up including Paterno. The NCAA should demonstrate they will not tolerate this behavior and remove the environment that allowed for this cancer to fester itself by giving it the opportunity to continue over the years. If Penn State University can demonstrate in the future they can prevent this from transpiring again, than the program can be reinstated. But until then let the NCAA serve notice that behavior in this manner is unacceptable and those in position to prevent and do not, will be held responsible and accountable.

Again this is my opinion without the emotion because if I said what I wanted to say or express what I would do to these individuals I might not be allowed to post on here again. As a parent and as a prior Marine my expectation for justice may vary with others on this board and around the country. Let's just hope in the end justice can be swift, that the victims find solace, and that we as society find faith that this type of environment that harbors such individuals will never find itself again on any campus or anywhere in the U.S.

Semper Fi
 
Re: PSU Coach Joe Paterno fired!

I agree with everything Switzer said, but I imagine he couldn't wait to get in his two cents worth when he remembered paterno's "not gonna leave football to the Switzers and Sherrills of the world" comment.

major tidefan said:
Barry Switzer is 100% correct about this.

Switzer also expressed doubt that Paterno did not know about the accusations against his former top assistant, Jerry Sandusky. For as much time as big-time college coaches spend with their staffs, there are very few secrets.“Having been in this profession a long time and knowing how close coaching staffs are, I knew that this was a secret that was kept secret,” Switzer said. “Everyone on that staff had to have known, the ones that had been around a long time.”Switzer said the scandal at Penn State is part of a larger epidemic at universities where the size and power of certain sports programs becomes so great that it becomes bigger than the school it represents. Penn State, despite its reputation, was not immune.“I'll tell you how it happens — it's the American sports phenomenon,” Switzer said. “I've seen it happen all my life. We've made coaches and players and athletes more than what we are. It's what happens in American sports. Because of that, they've gotten away with more than they should have.
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Re: PSU Coach Joe Paterno fired!

Bama Shoals said:
Amen! I'm so tired of people trying to justify everything people do that's wrong. Sometimes, people do the wrong thing. When it involves morality, it's called evil, wickedness, and sin. Yeah, those things still exist even though we want to say "they couldn't help it," "they were born that way," or "they're simply a product of their environment." Sometimes, people just decide to do the wrong thing. Sandusky chose to molest little boys. It's not a sickness that he can't help. McQueary chose to not do anything when he saw the little boy being molested by that monster. Others chose to do the wrong thing! This justification of wrongdoing is only contributing to the moral bankruptcy we see progressing in our country.

We all mess up and do wrong from time to time. We should admit it, correct it, and try to improve. That's the key. How do you deal with your mistakes? Don't justify them or try to cover them up.
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Hey I'm not justifying anything for anyone. Evil is evil. McQueary chose not to act and there is no forgiving or excusing that. ANyone involved in this that didn't act is as guilty as the man touching the children in my mind. So don't think I am making any excuses.

We were just discussing another possible twist in this terribly sad story. DO NOT lump me in with anyone trying to make an excuse for any of these perverts.
 
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Re: My thoughts on JoPa and PSU.

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I agree. Semper Fi. Happy belated 236th birthday (I did celebrate with the three Marines at our command), and Happy Veteran's Day.
 
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Evidently JoePa is feeling a little heat, I understand he's hired some hot-shot attorney from Washington, D.C.

I guess it figures that he'd have to go to D.C. to get one because those guys are used to handling slimy things. :mad2:
 
Re: PSU Coach Joe Paterno fired!

I remember when I was a kid we got a new young music director at our church. Everyone just loved him and fell all over themselves about how wonderful he was including my grandmother. She would go on and on about how great he was and finally one day my grandaddy told her "Don't go putting wings on him just yet". Well about a year later he ran off with one of the member's wives and took several thousand dollars from our church. That's why I am always leary when we in society go putting anyone on a pedastal.

Paterno is one of those that put himself on a pedestal and encouraged others to keep him there. It's kind of like that politician that tells you he's only there to help you. You better start watching your back when that happens.
 
Re: My thoughts on JoPa and PSU.

Tide Warrior said:
The more I have had time to ponder my reaction to the events that have unfolded it is hard to imagine what was allowed to transpire at Penn State University. Not just as a college football fan, but as a parent and a human I am appalled that these actions were basically granted the freedom to move forward and strip away the innocence of these children. That people such as the students and fans of the Penn State University football team have come to defend Paterno and the school. There is no excuse for what transpired and everyone with knowledge should be held accountable to the highest degree, meaning any penalty that can be served to the max by the courts for the individual that is in question(Sandusky) and every person with knowledge of these deviant acts be charged with accessory to the crime. To those that disagree that is your opinion, but the fact is these malicious acts go far beyond the authority of the university, the staff, or the President of the school. They should have been reported immediately to the police, but were ignored to protect the program. And no I do not think that Joe Paterno did enough or should be permitted to avoid facing the courts for his part in these crimes since he himself could have contacted the authorities to stop these crimes from perpetuating any further. His failure to act on the moral obligation as a human with any sense of decency just demonstrates his inability to see past the program and showed no concern for these children assaulted. Even if at the time it may have cost him his job, he still should have reported it to the police instead of protecting his reputation and the reputation of the football program he built. That reputation would have been better served by demonstrating that football is not the end all.

This is a sad day not only in sports but in society when we see such malicious acts of this nature take place and not halted only to protect the image of the program and the school. In my opinion the NCAA should step in and suspend the football program until further notice to a point where the school can demonstrate that all people, not just the student athlete, that partakes in any activities that are facilitated on the campus under the direction or authority of the football program, can be protected and measures will be put in place that will prevent future acts of this nature from transpiring. I know someone will say it is not fair to the players, fans, or students who support the school, but tell me how it is fair to all these children who were molested. Go look in their eyes and tell them, hey JoPa did what he thought was enough or that Penn State University football is good for all in light of what happen to you. Because I would think all of them would disagree and rightfully so. All Penn State University football did was strip away their innocence in an act that is unimaginable by most. Sorry but college football is not greater than the right of individuals and the fans, universities, and the NCAA should not tolerate these acts. If there was ever a text book definition of "failure to monitor" or "loss of institutional control" this is it. Hands downs I do not know of any incident with any college program that would ever come close to comparing with the atrocities that transpired at PSU and we have yet to see the worse of it as more victims come forward. The courts should determine the fate of Sandusky and everyone with knowledge of covering it up including Paterno. The NCAA should demonstrate they will not tolerate this behavior and remove the environment that allowed for this cancer to fester itself by giving it the opportunity to continue over the years. If Penn State University can demonstrate in the future they can prevent this from transpiring again, than the program can be reinstated. But until then let the NCAA serve notice that behavior in this manner is unacceptable and those in position to prevent and do not, will be held responsible and accountable.

Again this is my opinion without the emotion because if I said what I wanted to say or express what I would do to these individuals I might not be allowed to post on here again. As a parent and as a prior Marine my expectation for justice may vary with others on this board and around the country. Let's just hope in the end justice can be swift, that the victims find solace, and that we as society find faith that this type of environment that harbors such individuals will never find itself again on any campus or anywhere in the U.S.

Semper Fi
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I wholeheartedly agree with most everything you wrote, and I appreciate your feelings. I feel exactly like you do about most of it, except the part that states "All Penn State University football did was strip away their innocence in an act that is unimaginable by most." Penn State University, nor their football program did this. That paints with way too wide of a brush. They are thousands of good, decent people connected to the university and the football program that in no way deserve to be connected to this. I get that you feel the acts against the victims is unfair (I totally agree), but grouping the good people in with what the people involved with this did is also an injustice. I don't feel you accomplish the goal of removing the cancer by removing a football program, or any other environment that may cause people to use it as entity that bigger than justice. Everyone involved should be removed, and PSU needs to start over with good, honorable people leading the way. Every aspect of Penn State, from the football program to the BOT, needs to be reviewed and, if necessary, cleansed. You must remove the corruption by removing the people involved in this rather than the entity, because are the ones that did this.
 
Wonder what the final damages are going to be for Penn State? Jerry Sandusky was

there for 33 years and I bet he's been a slimy scumbag for the entire time and even before. Just makes sense that the current tally of 8 victims is going to sharply spike upwards now that this whole sordid affair has been exposed.

There will be an avalanche of lawsuits coming PSU's way out of this tragedy and I'd imagine the financial toll when all is said and done will be monstrous.

Let's face it, even Middle-East terrorists are not as despised as those who prey on children. How do you think PSU would fare in a courtroom with a jury of parents. Heck, they don't even have to be parents, just 12 decent people with a moral compass.

I'm sure PSU is gonna try their dangdest to settle out of court as much as possible, but even so, I would expect those settlements to still be mighty steep.

Any legal types out there that are willing give us an idea of about what we can expect from this sorry mess.

One thing is for sure, no one person has ever caused more damage to an institution than Jerry Sandusky. I really and truly feel sorry for his family, they are victims too.
 
Re: My thoughts on JoPa and PSU.

TideFan in AU said:
I wholeheartedly agree with most everything you wrote, and I appreciate your feelings. I feel exactly like you do about most of it, except the part that states "All Penn State University football did was strip away their innocence in an act that is unimaginable by most." Penn State University, nor their football program did this. That paints with way too wide of a brush. They are thousands of good, decent people connected to the university and the football program that in no way deserve to be connected to this. I get that you feel the acts against the victims is unfair (I totally agree), but grouping the good people in with what the people involved with this did is also an injustice. I don't feel you accomplish the goal of removing the cancer by removing a football program, or any other environment that may cause people to use it as entity that bigger than justice. Everyone involved should be removed, and PSU needs to start over with good, honorable people leading the way. Every aspect of Penn State, from the football program to the BOT, needs to be reviewed and, if necessary, cleansed. You must remove the corruption by removing the people involved in this rather than the entity, because are the ones that did this.
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My intention was to never push the blame to everyone ever affiliated with the program. But the football program is where this all manifested in the first place. My reasoning for ending the program until PSU can demonstrate otherwise it can promote a safe environment is because this was covered up to protect said program. The university and everyone with knowledge of what transpired did so to protect the image of the program and the school. If the poeple in charge feel the image of the football program should be upheld above this than that program should also be held accountable. Under the NCAA I do not see how "loss of institutional control" or "failure to monitor" can not be applied here. If so someone can, please explain, because to me it was lack of both that allowed these instances to continue.

If the people, such as Paterno, the AD, or the President had actually monitored their program and maintained control to provide a safe atmosphere, this may not have been prevented to ever happen but it could have prevented it from escalating to this point. Again everyone is entitled to their opinion, but mine is the program is the one responsible for these acts and allowing Sandusky to be the predator that he is. They should be held accountable.
 
Re: PSU Coach Joe Paterno fired!

Saw an article where the NCAA is holding at the outer marker on PSU. Guess they want to let the prosecutors do their heavy lifting
 
Re: PSU Coach Joe Paterno fired!

major tidefan said:
Barry Switzer is 100% correct about this.

Switzer also expressed doubt that Paterno did not know about the accusations against his former top assistant, Jerry Sandusky. For as much time as big-time college coaches spend with their staffs, there are very few secrets.“Having been in this profession a long time and knowing how close coaching staffs are, I knew that this was a secret that was kept secret,” Switzer said. “Everyone on that staff had to have known, the ones that had been around a long time.”Switzer said the scandal at Penn State is part of a larger epidemic at universities where the size and power of certain sports programs becomes so great that it becomes bigger than the school it represents. Penn State, despite its reputation, was not immune.“I'll tell you how it happens — it's the American sports phenomenon,” Switzer said. “I've seen it happen all my life. We've made coaches and players and athletes more than what we are. It's what happens in American sports. Because of that, they've gotten away with more than they should have.
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Here is a source article. (Please include a link to the article and not just a cut and paste.)

http://www.csnphilly.com/pages/news_ncaa?blockID=592092
STATE COLLEGE, Pa. — More than 30 years ago, former Penn State head coach Joe Paterno claimed he would never retire from coaching because he didn’t want to leave college football to the “Jackie Sherrills and Barry Switzers of the world.”

Paterno ultimately apologized to Barry Switzer, the former coach for the University of Oklahoma and the Dallas Cowboys, but it appears as if Switzer is having the last laugh.

Interviewed by reporters in Oklahoma about the scandal at Penn State, Switzer says that as soon as he saw TV footage of Paterno on his front lawn leading an impromptu pep rally, “I knew that it would come to this.”

“They did the right thing at the university,” Switzer told The Daily Oklahoman. “The university had to do this, and it was the right thing to do.”
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p.s. I completely agree with Coach Switzer and said so on this board.
 
Re: PSU Coach Joe Paterno fired!

There is a NYT article in the sports section (can't post a good link mobile) that talks about the PA governor's role in this case. At the end of the article it says the Grand Jury document was accidentally made public. Did not know that.
 
Re: My thoughts on JoPa and PSU.

Tide Warrior said:
My intention was to never push the blame to everyone ever affiliated with the program. But the football program is where this all manifested in the first place. My reasoning for ending the program until PSU can demonstrate otherwise it can promote a safe environment is because this was covered up to protect said program. The university and everyone with knowledge of what transpired did so to protect the image of the program and the school. If the poeple in charge feel the image of the football program should be upheld above this than that program should also be held accountable. Under the NCAA I do not see how "loss of institutional control" or "failure to monitor" can not be applied here. If so someone can, please explain, because to me it was lack of both that allowed these instances to continue.

If the people, such as Paterno, the AD, or the President had actually monitored their program and maintained control to provide a safe atmosphere, this may not have been prevented to ever happen but it could have prevented it from escalating to this point. Again everyone is entitled to their opinion, but mine is the program is the one responsible for these acts and allowing Sandusky to be the predator that he is. They should be held accountable.
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I think the NCAA's role is to determine whether or a not a team is receiving by extra benefits or anything that would have given PSU a competitive edge on the field, and I don't believe that would be the case here. I may be wrong, but that's how I interpret the NCAA's role relative to enforcement, sanctions, etc. I just think with all the people involved removed (from the program and the school) the football is benign, so to speak. Either way though, we both agree all parties involved should be removed and never allowed to be in position to do this ever again!
 
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