Four Bama football players arrested, are dismissed from team

[Mystical]

Re: Four Bama football players arrested - was progress of Eddie Williams & B. Callowa

I know I'm gonna be flamed for this but I think CNS and the coaching staff should be held accountable in a small way due the despicable lack of character of these players. I imagine CNS is beating himself up over it and will probably redouble the efforts of the staff in recruiting and monitoring our players so they are in fact representing the University in a first class way. Roll Tide.

Keep this in mind on behalf of Coach Saban. When we recruited these young men no one on this board had ever heard about any of them ever even getting a speeding ticket. The word from their high school coaches was they were all high character guys. I am not sure what happened but no way could Coach Saban have seen this coming. What happened can not be changed but the way we handle it will define our program going forward. I have full faith and confidence in Coach Saban and know he will do what is in the best interest of the University with out losing the team.

 

[jps1983]

Re: Four Bama football players arrested - was progress of Eddie Williams & B. Callowa

Again, I lay the "blame" on the grown men, the four students, who perpertrated the crime. I believe CNS should be held accountable in terms of what he knew about the character of Eddie Williams for example, past and present, that the university could of helped prevent this violent attack. Maybe there is nothing. Maybe CNS and staff knew of nothing. But I still think they should be held accountable in a small way. AGAIN, not blamed but to insure "we are doing all right the things when we are supposed to be doing them." (CNS' words) Roll Tide!

Eddie Williams was a 3.0 student and almost an early enrollee. He apparently had no issues with law enforcement until the gun arrest a day earlier. How do you prevent someone with no criminal history from doing what he did? Further, how do you hold a 3rd party accountable for the actions of a criminal when there was no prior criminal history?? You say even if they knew of nothing, they should still be held accountable...what on earth for?

 

[KrAzY3]

Re: Four Bama football players arrested - was progress of Eddie Williams & B. Callowa

The more I read your 'articles', the more I wonder why...

Well, you clearly went through some effort to dig up something from 21 pages back and pick one thing from a series of posts. So, I guess what I say matters to you...

I grew up broke. I never robbed anyone. It really wasnt that hard.

No excuses.

Thank you for agreeing with me.

if they are all guilty, you're better off without them around.

Obviously, crying poverty is not a valid excuse for robbing people, and these athletes can't really cry poverty anyway. They are well taken care of.

So, when you analyze this situation, there is no justification for the actions.

These players have no excuse

 

[bamafaninOhiO]

Re: Four Bama football players arrested - was progress of Eddie Williams & B. Callowa

Well, you clearly went through some effort to dig up something from 21 pages back and pick one thing from a series of posts. So, I guess what I say matters to you...

Thank you for agreeing with me.

No, not really....

 

[crimsonaudio]

Re: Four Bama football players arrested - was progress of Eddie Williams & B. Callowa

Again, I lay the "blame" on the grown men, the four students, who perpertrated the crime. I believe CNS should be held accountable in terms of what he knew about the character of Eddie Williams for example, past and present, that the university could of helped prevent this violent attack. Maybe there is nothing. Maybe CNS and staff knew of nothing. But I still think they should be held accountable in a small way. AGAIN, not blamed but to insure "we are doing all right the things when we are supposed to be doing them." (CNS' words) Roll Tide!

I honestly think it's odd that you appear to assume CNS doesn't seriously research each recruits character in the first place. As noted above, all three of the main perpetrators here were considered to be of 'great character' before this happened.

Assuming you believe that a player's character is important to CNS - which he regularly claims - I'm not really sure exactly what you want to happen here.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Re: Four Bama football players arrested - was progress of Eddie Williams & B. Callowa

And you guys stop the bickering.

 

[RTR91]

Re: Four Bama football players arrested - was progress of Eddie Williams & B. Callowa

The CW created this timeline of events...

 

[Chukker Veteran]

Re: Four Bama football players arrested - was progress of Eddie Williams & B. Callowa

I honestly think it's odd that you appear to assume CNS doesn't seriously research each recruits character in the first place. As noted above, all three of the main perpetrators here were considered to be of 'great character' before this happened.

Assuming you believe that a player's character is important to CNS - which he regularly claims - I'm not really sure exactly what you want to happen here.

Short of hiring a fortune teller, someone who can predict bad behavior, I can't think of any way Saban could have prevented this, or even had a clue this type behavior was coming.

 

[WalkaboutSean]

Re: Four Bama football players arrested - was progress of Eddie Williams & B. Callowa

I must admit that I am surprised to see this happen on Saban's watch. For several years it has seemed that we have been recruiting more "quality character" guys.

With that said, I'm confident Saban will handle it the right way. He won't be handing out ice cream cones.

 

[TideHiFlyer]

Re: Four Bama football players arrested - was progress of Eddie Williams & B. Callowa

Eddie Williams was a 3.0 student and almost an early enrollee. He apparently had no issues with law enforcement until the gun arrest a day earlier. How do you prevent someone with no criminal history from doing what he did? Further, how do you hold a 3rd party accountable for the actions of a criminal when there was no prior criminal history?? You say even if they knew of nothing, they should still be held accountable...what on earth for?

Because CNS is captain of the ship. He should be made to answer for the character and personality of his recruits. If there is nothing, then there is nothing. But he should be made to account for the actions of kids he spends an incredible amount of time with in and off the field. IMO

 

[BamaMoon]

Re: Four Bama football players arrested - was progress of Eddie Williams & B. Callowa

Because CNS is captain of the ship. He should be made to answer for the character and personality of his recruits. If there is nothing, then there is nothing. But he should be made to account for the actions of kids he spends an incredible amount of time with in and off the field. IMO

In what way "accountable?" This has already been addressed...that he does this on the recruiting side.

So should CNS spend a few nights in the pokie too???

 

[KrAzY3]

Re: Four Bama football players arrested - was progress of Eddie Williams & B. Callowa

Because CNS is captain of the ship. He should be made to answer for the character and personality of his recruits. If there is nothing, then there is nothing. But he should be made to account for the actions of kids he spends an incredible amount of time with in and off the field. IMO

I'm not sure what you are trying to say here. How well could Nick Saban know a recruit? No one else saw warning signs, so why should he have? And, once they are on scholarship, and if Eddie is following team rules, Nick Saban has a limit to what he can do. Even if he saw some sort of warning signs or something, what is he to do?

There are parents with one kid, just one kid, who do a good job and the kid still gets in trouble. If we found evidence that Nick Saban had been covering up for Eddie or something, what you have to say makes sense. But answering for character and personality? What does that even mean? Everyone says he seems like a nice guy, but what if he didn't smile a lot or something, is Nick supposed to say oh no, this guy can't play football for us?

Nick Saban is a football coach, not a psychologist, but his track record is such that he's shown an earnest effort to avoid players with bad character.

 

[BamaMoon]

Re: Four Bama football players arrested - was progress of Eddie Williams & B. Callowa

I know this is about Bama football, but some of the comments about how "others are to be blamed or be help accountable" is exhibit A to what is wrong with this country.

Why do we insists that others must be blamed for the stupid actions of others???

 

[10Bama54]

Re: Four Bama football players arrested - was progress of Eddie Williams & B. Callowa

According to coaches in high school, this was so unlike Eddie Williams. Is it possible that he could have been using some kind of drug that caused this behavior?

 

[TIDEnGA]

Re: Four Bama football players arrested - was progress of Eddie Williams & B. Callowa

The CW created this timeline of events...

This is real enough but reading the above and seeing their pictures is just gut wrenching.

 

[TideHiFlyer]

Re: Four Bama football players arrested - was progress of Eddie Williams & B. Callowa

I honestly think it's odd that you appear to assume CNS doesn't seriously research each recruits character in the first place. As noted above, all three of the main perpetrators here were considered to be of 'great character' before this happened.

Assuming you believe that a player's character is important to CNS - which he regularly claims - I'm not really sure exactly what you want to happen here.

I want CNS to be held accountable(to answer to) first and foremost to the kids that were attacked, to the admin, to the alumni(that would be me) that there were no signs as you state above that these football players ever exhibited anything that could of been prevented by their staff and to preclude this event from happening or helping prevent this kind of event of happening in the future. Redoubling their efforts to insure that we are recruiting the highest caliber athlete in terms of character and ability while insuring they are continuing to represent the university in a first class way.

 

[bamafaninOhiO]

Re: Four Bama football players arrested - was progress of Eddie Williams & B. Callowa

I want CNS to be held accountable(to answer to) first and foremost to the kids that were attacked, to the admin, to the alumni(that would be me) that there were no signs as you state above that these football players ever exhibited anything that could of been prevented by their staff and to preclude this event from happening or helping prevent this kind of event of happening in the future. Redoubling their efforts to insure that we are recruiting the highest caliber athlete in terms of character and ability while insuring they are continuing to represent the university in a first class way.

I believe that he already does this, and no one can predict anothers actions.

What he's to be held accountable for is how he handles the situation, and he is doing that as we speak.

 

[BamaMoon]

Re: Four Bama football players arrested - was progress of Eddie Williams & B. Callowa

According to coaches in high school, this was so unlike Eddie Williams. Is it possible that he could have been using some kind of drug that caused this behavior?

This has been speculated. Don't know if it has been addressed by the officials or not.

Still, IF he was on drugs he's still got to answer. No excuses.

 

[TideHiFlyer]

Re: Four Bama football players arrested - was progress of Eddie Williams & B. Callowa

In what way "accountable?" This has already been addressed...that he does this on the recruiting side.

So should CNS spend a few nights in the pokie too???

Of course not. By accountable, I mean "answer to" the admin, students, families, alumni. See other posts....

 

[crimsonaudio]

Re: Four Bama football players arrested - was progress of Eddie Williams & B. Callowa

I want CNS to be held accountable(to answer to) first and foremost to the kids that were attacked, to the admin, to the alumni(that would be me) that there were no signs as you state above that these football players ever exhibited anything that could of been prevented by their staff and to preclude this event from happening or helping prevent this kind of event of happening in the future. Redoubling their efforts to insure that we are recruiting the highest caliber athlete in terms of character and ability while insuring they are continuing to represent the university in a first class way.

Wow, lots of assumptions here.

And I'm beginning to wonder about motives.