Well, I guess I hope that UT turns out to have a top half of conference defense. If they don't, then our inside game is going to struggle against good defenses. I didn't expect Kessens to almost disappear like he did...
Game Thread: ****Official Game Thread - Bama vs. Vols****
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Alabama had 48 field goal attempts with 22 of those being 3-point attempts. Bama could not or would not feed the ball inside. UT did a good job cutting off the openings to the big men down low but Bama does not work hard enough at feeding it inside.
Wasn't able to watch the game. I listened to the radio broadcast. Chris and Brian kept talking about UT's complicated zone defense. Did that play a factor in why Bama didn't go inside too much?
When your opponent is dropping back inside the foul line, in a 3-2 zone,...it's mighty difficult to force the ball inside..
I watched the entire game. We played very well.
Roll Tide...
You lost me with the "does not work hard enough." I didn't see how they could have worked any harder. Try to force it inside, and it's instant turnover, which is what their defense is designed to cause. Perhaps if we had a couple of 7 footers with good hands and moves, but we don't, and neither do all but a very few teams...
And to add to other's comments... We passed the ball well.. and was able to get the ball to the players at the top of the key, and we were able to drive to basket and kick the ball out.. so we didn't struggle... I've played against 3-2 and 2-3 zone defense, its' extremely hard to kick the ball down low... They force you to pass the ball, and make you work hard to find the opening in their defense, and if there is one, the window is small to shoot the ball....
All correct. Today, Levi was the one with the most semi-open looks from the perimeter. He was passing them up...
Yes. As I noted in my post and you can see in responses by others, UT did a good job keeping the ball out. I get frustrated when the opportunity presents itself just inside the free throw line or on the post and the players don't drop the pass in (not "forcing" but "feeding"). But as pointed out by others, getting the ball inside doesn't always lead to positive results.
UT's defense was very good at keeping people and the ball out of the lane but thier inside players picked up fouls away from the ball very early in the game.
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Ditto this. You have to penetrate and make the zone roll to the ball and kick to a guy in space. I'm glad to see us taking all these 3s - mid range 2s are the worst net percentage shots in basketball.
It really is good we are stretching the defense with the 3 ball. Not sure if we did enough of that last year. The 3 is the great equalizer. I like the grit of this team a lot.
Unfortunately, my most reliable shot was a long two. Many times, I was asked why I didn't just shoot threes. My main problem was that was my limit, since I didn't have a rotator cuff in my shooting (right) shoulder. The only way I could shoot longer was by using a girl-type heave it up from my hip. Most of my group had played small college ball and were 20-30 years younger than I. One of the taller guys, about 6'5", who'd played small college ball in TN, once commented that he had the same problem. He was deadly from one foot inside the 3 pt line in, but, if he stepped outside it, he couldn't hit either...
I learned to shoot the three from above my head vs from the chest like I see quite a few do --- my HS Coach was pretty strict about never letting the ball come below your site of vision.....then again -- the 3 pt line was introduced during my senior year -- so the scoring average did go from 6.2/game to 9.4! ha!!
So, for us, the 3pt shot was "all in the wrist"
Sometimes though, I would like to see some of the players establish the two point before moving to the three. I have seen players constantly missing the three without moving in and trying a two. Like a QB throwing short passes to establish a rhythm.
There's really no way I can shoot a three all with my wrists. (Really no one can.) Even a pro has to start the shot with the legs, which is why we miss more as we fatigue. In my case, the ball never got below my eye level, but it started with my legs, then trunk, shoulder then arms and wrists. In my case, the shoulder was the weak link, since it anchors the wrist. Also, height matters a lot in shooting range and I'm challenged there, also...I learned to shoot the three from above my head vs from the chest like I see quite a few do --- my HS Coach was pretty strict about never letting the ball come below your site of vision.....then again -- the 3 pt line was introduced during my senior year -- so the scoring average did go from 6.2/game to 9.4! ha!!
So, for us, the 3pt shot was "all in the wrist"
Bama hit 6 out of 22 (27%) for three's against UT and shoot 29% currently for the season. I think there are some players better off shooting a 15 to 18 foot shot instead of 21 to 24+ feet.
I understand the concept of only going for 3's for outside shots but I'm convinced that under similar conditions the closer shot will have a high enough percentage-made that it will be more effective than the three. There are occasional holes against the zone where players like Hale and Kessens can pop and shoot (I think Hale's jumper would be pretty much undefensable).
I understand the concept of only going for 3's for outside shots but I'm convinced that under similar conditions the closer shot will have a high enough percentage-made that it will be more effective than the three. There are occasional holes against the zone where players like Hale and Kessens can pop and shoot (I think Hale's jumper would be pretty much undefensable).
I started following the Rockets when I moved here (Buck Johnson was a Rocket then), and I've followed them ever since.
The current GM, Daryl Morey, is an MIT guy and is big into analytics. Sort of the Billy Beane of basketball. I've seen a lot of articles with stats on 3 vs. 2, and the Rockets sure play MoreyBall. Its either the paint or 3.
A typical shot chart
Again, you're kinda missing the point... You chose to focus on the stats... the stats doesn't always tell us the whole story.. you really should check out the player's stats... The worst 3 point shooter on the team is actually the FRESHMAN, Justin Coleman. Then you have Hale who is shooting 3's... He has no business doing that... (That's why he's not playing much lately) Kessen... But you have Randolph, Tarrant, Norris and Cooper who is doing well in 3 point area... So really, It's been wrong people shooting three's... so this should not be an issue...
I looked at player's stats which is why I said "some players". No one should complain about too many 3's if a high enough percentage are going in.
Hale shot 3's well last season but has fallen off so far this season.
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Shannon Hale shot 35% from 3-point land as a freshman. He's proven he can be successful. Problem is, he's nowhere near that right now. I don't know if he's injured, or what.. could just be a confidence thing. He's got a great all-around game when he's playing 100% and with confidence.
But certain players are shooting high percentage 3's... and certain players aren't. Really you shouldn't be complaining about the three's... Our players are nailing the shots when it counts... I'm more concerned about Coleman and Hale right now, but we'll see how that goes.
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