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News Article: Kentucky Clerk Is Due In Federal Court For Contempt Hearing

TRUTIDE said:
I doubt I would have cared much in 1999. I don't equate racial issues with sexual preference but I would have to see the case to really opine.
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so thanks for clearing this up, you simply don't like gay people and are finding a justification for it. Got it, thanks
 
Jon said:
snipping out this to reply but another great post

my understanding is that she could not be fired as she holds an elected position. I suppose she would need to be impeached then. I could be wrong

the judge also chose to not fine her as the fines would simply have been paid by her supporters and would not have resulted in licenses being given to those who legally are entitled to them.

Jail was the only recourse left and it clearly worked
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Correct...a local TV station reported that KY's governor (Dem) said that ordering the state legislature back into session just for the purpose of her impeachment would be too expensive.
 
TRUTIDE said:
It is my understanding that she had went to the state prior to the ruling to be relieved of that duty if the law was passed. This is suppose only a small part of her duties.
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Sources? Not sure it changes anything even if she did. She obviously didn't get the special dispensation with regards to her duties. That coupled with the fact that apparently KY and the Feds both believe that marriage licenses issued by her aides in her absence are perfectly valid. She could have stepped back and let the office continue to operate the way it always had, yet she chose to grandstand. It is my understanding that she was cool with her aides issuing licenses before this whole fiasco, I may have heard it on NPR and cannot find a relevant source at the moment.

Numbering the questions in red and responding accordingly.
TRUTIDE said:
1. So would you say that every federal official that does not follow the law or 2. does not do their job should be jailed? 3. what about judges. Should they officially participate in activities that are directly related to cases they are about to rule on?
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1. She's not a federal employee, but yeah, if you work for the government and you don't follow the law you should be punished according the the existing laws. If that includes jail, then so be it.
2. If they don't do their job, then it is up to the existing work place laws for removing that person from their job. She was a special case, as they couldn't stop people being disenfranchised from getting their marriage license while at the same time wait for the bureaucratic process necessary to remove an elected official. Had this been one of her aides instead of her, they would have simply been fired.
3. I am not sure I follow your question. Are you asking if a Judge should be able to get gay married if they are about to determine if its legal?
 
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KentuckianaBFan said:
Correct...a local TV station reported that KY's governor (Dem) said that ordering the state legislature back into session just for the purpose of her impeachment would be too expensive.
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So if she defies the order, she'll most likely have to sit in jail until the legislature reconvenes in Jan.
 
chanson78 said:
Sources? Not sure it changes anything even if she did. She obviously didn't get the special dispensation with regards to her duties. That coupled with the fact that apparently KY and the Feds both believe that marriage licenses issued by her aides in her absence are perfectly valid. She could have stepped back and let the office continue to operate the way it always had, yet she chose to grandstand. It is my understanding that she was cool with her aides issuing licenses before this whole fiasco, I may have heard it on NPR and cannot find a relevant source at the moment.

Numbering the questions in red and responding accordingly.


1. She's not a federal employee, but yeah, if you work for the government and you don't follow the law you should be punished according the the existing laws. If that includes jail, then so be it.
2. If they don't do their job, then it is up to the existing work place laws for removing that person from their job. She was a special case, as they couldn't stop people being disenfranchised from getting their marriage license while at the same time wait for the bureaucratic process necessary to remove an elected official. Had this been one of her aides instead of her, they would have simply been fired.
3. I am not sure I follow your question. Are you asking if a Judge should be able to get gay married if they are about to determine if its legal?
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on number 3 he is insinuating that for some reason that the justices who ruled here should have recused themselves because they performed gay marriages and therefor were not impartial. Oddly I don't hear any of them claiming that the Catholic judges should have recused themselves from the Hobby Lobby case.....
 
KentuckianaBFan said:
She is out now, but hasn't been back to work this week...not sure of the details for her release. I believe she is due back to work next week.
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I read Monday. I've got my popcorn ready to see if she fires the employee that said he will issue the marriage certificates regardless of what she says.
 
BamainBoston said:
No, I just think it's interesting, the arguments people tend to make. The same people who attack Barack Obama/praise him for refusing to enforce immigration laws because "it's the right thing to do" praise this woman/attack her for refusing to do her job for essentially the same reason. My only point is that it seems everyone agrees there are times when a government official should refuse to enforce the law on moral grounds, and that time tends to be when it's something those people really care about. So it's not really that she should "do her job or quit;" it's that the reason she won't do her job is not sufficiently compelling for the people who oppose her.
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No, that's exactly what it is. And. like some others, I'm finding your "reductio ad absurdum" comparisons to NAZI camp guards tiring. As long as money by the ton is flooding in to her from her supporters, we can expect the circus to continue. (Last sentence in general - not directed at BnB.)
 
TIDE-HSV said:
No, that's exactly what it is. And. like some others, I'm finding your "reductio ad absurdum" comparisons to NAZI camp guards tiring. As long as money by the ton is flooding in to her from her supporters, we can expect the circus to continue. (Last sentence in general - not directed at BnB.)
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She's been very lucrative for "Liberty" Council. I suspect they simply view her as their cash cow and are probably encouraging her to string this along.
 
AUDub said:
Saw that. IANAL by any means, but I'm getting the impression that Matt Staver is not very good at his profession.
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I disagree, I think he is highly effective at bringing money in to the Liberty Council

did you also see the story about the Oath Keepers offering to protect her from being arrested again? It's kind a bit extra kooky in KY
 
AUDub said:
QUOTE=Jon;2659674]I disagree, I think he is highly effective at bringing money in to the Liberty Council

did you also see the story about the Oath Keepers offering to protect her from being arrested again? It's kind a bit extra kooky in KY

Yeah. Not shocking. The Sovereign Citizens are just itching for a fight.
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and this just went up in Davis's hometown.

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BamainBoston said:
In fairness, I just gave three examples where everyone agrees government officials should not do their job. I'm not comparing her to any of them. I was just curious where the line was. I'm not even sure where I would draw the line. In her case, I think she should do her job or resign.
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I suspect the line changes with time and certainly does with cultures. However, I feel that most can distinguish between murder and disagreement over legal contracts between individuals...
 
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