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Here at the twilight of Saban's career - he has real fork in the road.


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It is a situation which is unique to his regime here, that's for sure. Never before has he let himself and the team become so QB-dependent. This is a man who's won NCs with a McElroy and a Coker. I don't think he wanted to happen. It was one of those things that happened. Last year, he didn't have a choice. You can make an argument he didn't have a choice earlier this season. Now, he has a choice....
 
Looking at the last 30 years of stats there are only two examples I could find where the QB led the team in rushing attempts and won the NC. Vince Young for Texas in 2005 and Cam Newton for Auburn in 2010. Both of those QB's were great passers though, each throwing for around 3000 yds those seasons. Teams had to respect their arms as well as their legs. So it's not a great formula unless the guy is an exceptional passer.

Maybe what happened in the MSU game actually hurt us in the Auburn game. Jalen made the halftime speech that he is "driving the bus" and then led the team to victory. So going into Auburn game maybe Jalen thought he's going to "drive the bus" and win it for us again and tried too much himself. Or it could have been the coaching staff that decided we could win if we leave it all in Jalen's hands, but either way the stats seem to show that the QB should not lead the team in rushing attempts to be successful.
 
Never before has he let himself and the team become so QB-dependent.
I have the numbers in front of me. The more QB-dependent the team became the worse the results got... I just do believe that they should be able to dial that back, but then again I'm not sure it matters since the committee might screw over Alabama.

tried too much himself
This is it in a nutshell. I do think Hurts thought he had to, and Kiffin has to be partly to blame for that. Hurts has less faith in the play calling than he should have, and he's been let down before. But he has to regain faith in those around him.
 
I have the numbers in front of me. The more QB-dependent the team became the worse the results got... I just do believe that they should be able to dial that back, but then again I'm not sure it matters since the committee might screw over Alabama.


This is it in a nutshell. I do think Hurts thought he had to, and Kiffin has to be partly to blame for that. Hurts has less faith in the play calling than he should have, and he's been let down before. But he has to regain faith in those around him.

How can you dial it back though? If we're calling a running play where the RB gets the ball and he's still keeping it, what more can be done while keeping him on the field?


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I believe Earle has ferreted out the real problem and it is going to be a hard sell to get this thing turned around. Not offering this as a defense, but has working under 3 different OCs since his arrival in Tuscaloosa created mixed signals for him?
 
But how do you go about teaching him better habits after throwing him out there as a true freshman and ingraining bad ones (one thing I mentioned prior to the start of last year as a concern)? I mean he has to be trained somehow, while I agree he has to buy in, it is like a dog that's used to being kicked. The first instinct is still to run when there's a sudden movement. That's where I think Hurts was failed, they let him get away with the wrong behavior too long, and you're right in that he had to buy in, but it didn't need to go this far before it came to a head.
As history, I think you're right. The question is where does Saban go now...
 
How can you dial it back though? If we're calling a running play where the RB gets the ball and he's still keeping it, what more can be done while keeping him on the field?
Easy - the head coach tells him to trust his coaches and the other players and run the plays called. Do not allow him to change out of a play, and stop with the RPOs. No more reads on run plays. He hands the ball off and gets out of the way like a QB is supposed to do. If he won't do it, bench him.

Look, Saban demands that his defensive players trust one another. The defense fails if any one player is out of position trying to "help" somewhere else on the field. If they fail to do so, they get benched. He needs to demand the same of Jalen.

Do your job - trust your teammates to do theirs. It is a team game.
 
It is a situation which is unique to his regime here, that's for sure. Never before has he let himself and the team become so QB-dependent. This is a man who's won NCs with a McElroy and a Coker. I don't think he wanted to happen. It was one of those things that happened. Last year, he didn't have a choice. You can make an argument he didn't have a choice earlier this season. Now, he has a choice....

I can assure you he is very aware and those who think not are clueless. No disrespect meant , I understand now.
 
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How can you dial it back though? If we're calling a running play where the RB gets the ball and he's still keeping it, what more can be done while keeping him on the field?
First, I think you have to hope the problem is him taking "rat poison" because after last game he should have learned his lesson. I fear, and I had this fear throughout the season that it's more ingrained in either the play calling or his habits. I said before something about insubordination, well a few times actually, but I hoped for a while that he would be told in no uncertain terms that he's to get the ball out of his hands. Might it be too late? That's a valid question, but I don't think so. Alabama has bounced back from bad games before.

We haven't gotten into this, but this probably should be broached. I recall three would be big plays to Ridley that he got mugged on. Two were called, one wasn't, but it was 30 penalty years instead of about 100 yards and at least one TD. Both from Daboll's perspective and Hurts perspective I can see the argument being "I called the right play" and "I made the right throw", and had those plays just gone right (a credit to Auburn coaching that they didn't), we might not be having this debate. Perhaps in the long run its better though that this debate is taking place (since surely it's not just going on here). Everyone needs to get it into their heads that Hurts isn't and shouldn't be Alabama's savior. There are other ways to move the ball, there are other ways to win, and the sooner everyone realizes that the better.

has working under 3 different OCs since his arrival in Tuscaloosa created mixed signals for him?
There's no question in my mind. He's been asked to do too much, and in some circumstances at least make something out of nothing. Now he has something but he still seems to feel like he has to make something by himself. It's a thin line though because the Miss. State game is as good an example of any, where he was asked to go out and make big plays and he did. But the best possible scenario would be not to ask him to do that.

So it's a dual thing. He needs to stop doing too much, but he also needs to not be asked to do too much.

The question is where does Saban go now...
Well if it's a bowl game, I guess he can do what ever the heck he wants. If it's a championship game I think he has to put Hurts out there, but perhaps with more of a leash. It certainly wouldn't be the first time they restricted a quarterback (they won a championship with a guy who had broken ribs). I think Saban will have plenty of time in the offseason to really ponder the direction of the team. Good thing he has tons of talent, so that won't be an issue for quite some time.
 
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I can assure you he is very aware and those who think not are clueless.
No one suggested that Saban was unaware - not sure where that came from. The question is - what will he change to address it.
 
Well if it's a bowl game, I guess he can do what ever the heck he wants. If it's a championship game I think he has to put Hurts out there, but perhaps with more of a leash. It certainly wouldn't be the first time they restricted a quarterback (they won a championship with a guy who had broken ribs). I think Saban will have plenty of time in the offseason to really ponder the direction of the team. Good thing he has tons of talent, so that won't be an issue for quite some time.
Good example - Greg only threw 11 passes in that game. He was averaging 26 passes per game leading up to that game. You had to adapt your offense, and you prevailed.
 
Easy - the head coach tells him to trust his coaches and the other players and run the plays called. Do not allow him to change out of a play, and stop with the RPOs. No more reads on run plays. He hands the ball off and gets out of the way like a QB is supposed to do. If he won't do it, bench him.

Look, Saban demands that his defensive players trust one another. The defense fails if any one player is out of position trying to "help" somewhere else on the field. If they fail to do so, they get benched. He needs to demand the same of Jalen.

Do your job - trust your teammates to do theirs. It is a team game.

And what if Saban doesn't want to make a change even if the rest of the team feels it's needed because they have no confidence in the player?

Prof mentioned earlier this is a big fork in the road. If this is causing problems in the locker room (tend to think it is), Saban has to be careful on this decision. Could easily destroy the locker room.


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And what if Saban doesn't want to make a change even if the rest of the team feels it's needed because they have no confidence in the player?

No one on planet Earth has a good answer to that question. He is the boss, and the best in the business. You fail with him and try again next year.
 
I believe Earle has ferreted out the real problem and it is going to be a hard sell to get this thing turned around. Not offering this as a defense, but has working under 3 different OCs since his arrival in Tuscaloosa created mixed signals for him?
Didn't help...
 
Guys, remember that Saban is your head coach. He has earned the right to fail here. And his failure isn't really a problem in the grand scheme of things. He will be back next year, win or lose, and Alabama will contend again.

Don't forget how much he has given you.
 
And what if Saban doesn't want to make a change even if the rest of the team feels it's needed because they have no confidence in the player?
I'm sure some playmakers are unhappy because of the lack of touches. I really don't see how this could be a problem with the entire locker room, or how Hurts could lose the confidence of the locker room (unless there is just a ton of behind the scenes stuff we're all unaware of). I mean unless Hurts is just the biggest jerk there is, it is hard to imagine him finding a way to get the team to turn on him. A couple RBs and WRs? Sure, but what would anyone else have against him? The whole story thus far has been his leadership and calm, unless that narrative has been false, or there's some locker room cancer, he shouldn't have lost the locker room. Remember, he has the second best winning percentage of any Saban quarterback, so it isn't as though the team is going to turn on him because he hasn't won enough games.

I just can't imagine that being a real possibility. One reason I wanted more short stuff, and kept calling for that, was because I thought the touches would help keep more play makers involved. It is completely understandable that they have some frustration. The question would be more are some starting to lose faith or have they lost faith? If they have lost faith, if the problem has been this bad for this long that they started losing faith a while ago and just lost faith now... there's just no reason it should have been allowed to come to that. That's why I have trouble believing it has, unless of course the locker room issue isn't really Jalen at all.
 
Hurts has been one of the main reasons we have had the success we've had this year. I think we all understand that we would have had more than one loss if Tua was playing. No knack on Tua but he still hasn't made it up to game speed against the 1s yet. Jalen just had a bad game against the Barn, but so did the rest of the team honestly. (Keep in mind, it was his passing that got us the win against MSU two games before). Jalen is still progressing as well so I truly believe he'll make even more strides in the off-season to be a complete QB. The same as Tua. Both will be quality careers at QBs for Bama, I'm personally just enjoying the experience folks.
 
I'm sure some playmakers are unhappy because of the lack of touches. I really don't see how this could be a problem with the entire locker room, or how Hurts could lose the confidence of the locker room (unless there is just a ton of behind the scenes stuff we're all unaware of). I mean unless Hurts is just the biggest jerk there is, it is hard to imagine him finding a way to get the team to turn on him. A couple RBs and WRs? Sure, but what would anyone else have against him? The whole story thus far has been his leadership and calm, unless that narrative has been false, or there's some locker room cancer, he shouldn't have lost the locker room. Remember, he has the second best winning percentage of any Saban quarterback, so it isn't as though the team is going to turn on him because he hasn't won enough games.

I just can't imagine that being a real possibility. One reason I wanted more short stuff, and kept calling for that, was because I thought the touches would help keep more play makers involved. It is completely understandable that they have some frustration. The question would be more are some starting to lose faith or have they lost faith? If they have lost faith, if the problem has been this bad for this long that they started losing faith a while ago and just lost faith now... there's just no reason it should have been allowed to come to that. That's why I have trouble believing it has, unless of course the locker room issue isn't really Jalen at all.

The OL can get frustrated when they have perfect blocks, but the ball doesn't go to where the hole is. I have seen several plays this year where the hole is there for the ball to go to the RB but Jalen keeps it.

I've noticed a RB has walked up to the OL some over the last few games. Why's a RB talking to the OL about protection instead of the QB? Lack of trust or lack of knowledge of the playbook/reading a defense?


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Guys, remember that Saban is your head coach. He has earned the right to fail here. And his failure isn't really a problem in the grand scheme of things. He will be back next year, win or lose, and Alabama will contend again.

Don't forget how much he has given you.

I'll admit that I'm a full time eeyore but I think you're underestimating what the long term effects could be here.


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