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The reality of it is we have struggled signing a lot of elite DL over the years, no matter who was here. Saban's scheme gives opposing recruiters the ammo to say "You will just be a space eater, you will get very few sacks, you won't be a star, blah, blah, blah).

If this guy can come in and develop lower rated guys like he had at Mizzou who would die to come here into 1st round talent, rather than sign flashy 5 stars, I'm good with that!
 
TideFan in AU said:
The reality of it is we have struggled signing a lot of elite DL over the years, no matter who was here. Saban's scheme gives opposing recruiters the ammo to say "You will just be a space eater, you will get very few sacks, you won't be a star, blah, blah, blah).

If this guy can come in and develop lower rated guys like he had at Mizzou who would die to come here into 1st round talent, rather than sign flashy 5 stars, I'm good with that!
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If he does that, it might make some elite talent decide they want to be a part of it..............
 
TideFan in AU said:
The reality of it is we have struggled signing a lot of elite DL over the years, no matter who was here. Saban's scheme gives opposing recruiters the ammo to say "You will just be a space eater, you will get very few sacks, you won't be a star, blah, blah, blah).

If this guy can come in and develop lower rated guys like he had at Mizzou who would die to come here into 1st round talent, rather than sign flashy 5 stars, I'm good with that!
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I would rather have the flashy five stars.
 
Pretty sure we will get highly rated recruits regardless. Personally, I prefer a coach that can really develop players. Not that this was a coaching issue but Hand is a great example of a highly rated recruit who never really developed the way he was expected to.
 
bodiddle said:
Why? I thought we were talking about 5 star players.
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Wow... Just a reminder: https://bamahammer.com/2017/06/07/alabama-football-30-best-3-star-rated-players-tide-history/
30 best 3 star rated player under Saban..... *hint* Eddie Jackson is one of them. Remember that dude? He was the starting safety for Bama a while back. Remember Deion Belue? Maze? Norwood? Coffee? Jones?

You wanted us to sign 5 star players only. Let's review that. Saban has signed over 40 5 stars during his tenure at Alabama. I would say 4-6 of them transferred, kicked off the team or saw little playing time.

What was my point? Saban doesn't care who he gets whether they are 3 star, 4 star, 5 star players, as long they represent the traits that Saban looks for in a player.
 
JustNeedMe81 said:
Wow... Just a reminder: https://bamahammer.com/2017/06/07/alabama-football-30-best-3-star-rated-players-tide-history/
30 best 3 star rated player under Saban..... *hint* Eddie Jackson is one of them. Remember that dude? He was the starting safety for Bama a while back. Remember Deion Belue? Maze? Norwood? Coffee? Jones?

You wanted us to sign 5 star players only. Let's review that. Saban has signed over 40 5 stars during his tenure at Alabama. I would say 4-6 of them transferred, kicked off the team or saw little playing time.

What was my point? Saban doesn't care who he gets whether they are 3 star, 4 star, 5 star players, as long they represent the traits that Saban looks for in a player.
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What in the heck are you talking about? I haven't said anything about only signing 5 star players. Wow!
 
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List of all 5 star recruits signed by Nick Saban 2007-2017

Julio Jones
Tyler Love
B. J. Scott
Trent Richardson
Dre Kirkpatrick
Nico Johnson
D. J. Fluker
Dee Milliner
Phillip Sims
Cyrus Kouandijo
Ha Ha Clinton Dix
Tre DePriest
Landon Collins
Eddie Williams
T. J. Yeldon
Reuben Foster
Derrick Henry
Jonathan Allen
Robert Foster
A’Shawn Robinson
O. J. Howard
Cam Robinson
Da’Shawn Hand
Tony Brown
Marlon Humphrey
Rashaan Evans
Calvin Ridley
Kendall Sheffield
Blake Barnett
Da’Ron Payne
Minkah Fitzpatrick
Damien Harris
Ben Davis
Mack Wilson
Jonah Williams
Najee Harris
Alex Leatherwood
Jerry Juedy
Tua Tagoviola
LaBryan Ray
 
TideFan in AU said:
The reality of it is we have struggled signing a lot of elite DL over the years, no matter who was here. Saban's scheme gives opposing recruiters the ammo to say "You will just be a space eater, you will get very few sacks, you won't be a star, blah, blah, blah).

If this guy can come in and develop lower rated guys like he had at Mizzou who would die to come here into 1st round talent, rather than sign flashy 5 stars, I'm good with that!
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This is not true. NFL DL players shown below and if any school gave them your excuse our staff's answer would be look at who we have put in the NFL. I listed some of these guys earlier but going to go all in to show this is not true.

Marcell Dareus
Mount Cody
Josh Chapman
Brandon Deaderick
Damion Square
Ed Stinson
Quinton Dial
Jeffrey Pagan
Jesse Williams
Dalvin Thomlison
Jonathan Allen
A'Shawn Robinson
Jarred Reed
Da'Shawn Hand
Daron Payne

Players on the current roster who will go to the NFL IMO. This does not include any of our incoming freshmen.

Issiah Buggs
Raekwon Davis
Labryan Ray
Quinnen Williams
Phidarian Mathis

Do you think any school in the nation can boast this many NFL D-linemen? This is not struggling.
 
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TiderJ said:
This is not true. NFL DL players shown below and if any school gave them your excuse our staff's answer would be look at who we have put in the NFL. I listed some of these guys earlier but going to go all in to show this is not true.

Marcell Dareus
Mount Cody
Josh Chapman
Brandon Deaderick
Damion Square
Ed Stinson
Quinton Dial
Jeffrey Pagan
Jesse Williams
Dalvin Thomlison
Jonathan Allen
A'Shawn Robinson
Jarred Reed
Da'Shawn Hand
Daron Payne

Players on the current roster who will go to the NFL IMO. This does not include any of our incoming freshmen.

Issiah Buggs
Raekwon Davis
Labryan Ray
Quinnen Williams
Phidarian Mathis

Do you think any school in the nation can boast this many NFL D-linemen? This is not struggling.
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There's four 5 star guys on that list in in 11 years of CNS being here. A lot of those guys were 3 stars we developed. I'm not saying we haven't had some great linemen, it's just that we've missed on a lot elite HS DL that we were recruiting over the years, and anybody following recruiting would tell you that.

That said, I stand by what I said. If Coack K can come in and development guys into monsters and NFL talent, I don't care what they are ranked coming out of High School.
 
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