I wuldn't either if I were the Bills because they are missing too much, but the market for top picks has been set.
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If the Giants are looking to trade the #2 pick then the Jets are the worst franchise in football. You don't trade up to #3 simply to pick the worst of the top 3 QBs.
I can tell you for a fact that they wouldn’t be there with Foles being their #1 for most of the season. Wentz got them there, Foles closed the deal. Foles looks better now than what he really is. He has been an average to above average qb. Had Wentz got hurt 3 games earlier then it’s quite possible the Eagles would’ve had to gone to NOLA and to Minnesota. Two places that are hard to play in a true road playoff environment. Playing in Philly those two playoff games was a god send for Foles.
Wentz won MVP for a reason.
I think Doug Pederson's QB coaching and just coaching in general doesn't need to be overlooked when discussing not only the success of Foles, but Wentz as well. The guy can flat out coach.
Pederson can coach, but you can’t tell me Foles through 16 games has Philly with home field advantage. They likely are #3 or # 4 seed with Foles and would have to go to NOLA and Minnesota instead of having home field.
They had a team capable of playing to Foles game but Foles is very similar to Cousins in that he is 4 great games followed by 3 bad games. He was lucky that Minnesota had keenum and that New England’s best defense was Tom Brady.
Wentz is the reason Philly got there. I highly doubt Foles would survive a true road playoff game. Don’t get me wrong, I think Foles is a top 18 qb, but he isn’t better than Wentz.
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I don't know that you can. That's like me saying "I can tell you for a fact they wouldn't win the super bowl with Wentz as their QB" or various other what ifs. And, Brady won MVP not Wentz.
No I can't. Just like you can't say as a statement of fact that he wouldn't have. There were experts (former players now turned analyst) who swore up and down that once Wentz went down the Eagles were done. I don't follow the NFL a lot but the little I did follow it seemed the lack of production from Foles when he initially took over for Wentz was simply due to getting used to playing and getting the flow and feel of the game. What he played five regular season games? Riding the bench for 11 straight games then being asked to start and play has an adjustment period. It seemed by the playoffs he had settled in and gotten the feel of playing. It also seemed Pederson became more confident in what he could do. I know the excuse of "teams not having enough film on him" can't be used. He has literally years of film of him playing quarterback for teams to breakdown, study his tendencies, strengths, weaknesses and game plan accordingly.
My personal opinion is, no, Foles isn't as good of a QB as Wentz. But I think with Pederson's talent at playcalling and dealing with quarterbacks. He was able to get the most out of Foles' talent. From a throwing standpoint, Foles' isn't a bum. He has passing talent. I think he is more of a system quarterback than just an overall good quarterback. I think Pederson's philosophy fit right into what he does best and it showed the more he played. By the time the playoffs hit, the guy was dropping dimes all over the field and was doing it for more than one game. It was blatantly obvious he had gotten comfortable and very, very confident.
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Pederson is a great coach, and a huge part of the super bowl win. I just don’t buy this idea that Wentz wasn’t a HUGE reason that they won the SB.
I'll say he was a HUGE reason they were in position to win a superbowl. I'm also of the opinion that if he wouldn't have gotten hurt they would have went on and won the SB with him at QB. But the reality is Wentz didn't play a single game after game 13. He put them in the position they were in through those 13 games. He didn't play for the six games after that. So I cannot give him credit for winning games that he didn't play in. That credit goes to the players and coaches who played and coached in those games. Nick Foles deserves a mountain load of credit for sitting the bench for that much of a season then coming in and performing the way he did. I don't think that means anyone is minimizing the role Wentz played in the games he played in. I just have a hard time giving credit to a player for winning a superbowl that didn't even play in the last six games of the season (including the superbowl) and taking credit away from the guy who actually played in the games, one of them being the Super Bowl.
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The Eagles are in great shape. They literally took 2 QBs who were mediocre to bad the year before and had them both playing championship level football last season. They have a struck gold with a good coaching staff and a good personnel department.
Okay but I’m talking about the poster that suggests that the Eagles trading up for him was not worth it since Foles won the SB. So if the Bills have a guy in mind that they can’t pass on then they should go for it.
Wentz is the QB that got them there and Foles was the above average qb that sealed the deal.
This is a WAAAAAY too early knee jerk statement. But we could be seeing the next second coming of Favre/Holmgren, Montana/Walsh, Young/Walsh, Elway/Shanahan, Brady/Belichick in Wentz/Pederson.
Oh good god no. I didn't realize that's what you were responding to. Yeah, I agree.
My statements were really about is there a qb worth all the picks people are suggesting the bills will give up? If there was a Watson type player in the draft then I'd be all over it but these guys look interchangeable. What's the difference between Darnold and Mayfield? One is just as good or bad as the other. Turnover prone, nonchampionship winning qbs. Every single last one. Just let one drop to you and take him. Then build around him. Without giving up the farm.
Wentz was worth it just like Julio was worth. Fortune many times favors the bold.
Mayfield could be very special and so could Rosen. The biggest issue with Mayfield is his antics. If the Bills want either then they are probably going to have to get in the top 5 to get them because it looks like they are going in the top 10.
Also Watson was the 3rd qb taken an extremely weak qb draft. So trading up for him was never going to be an issue. Here you might have 5 qbs gone in the top 15 and not just 5 in the top 100. So getting the right one could require trading up.
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As Frog Millhouse (Gene Autrey's Comic sidekick) often had to do. I will eat my hat if Darnold and Mayfield ever lead a team to a playoff win. I would be looking for a QB the size and arm talent of Newton and Wentz or invest my money in the other talent a team requires to win in the NFL. It is a fools bet to attempt identify the next Drew Brees and pay them $20 Mil before they take a snap. Ow well! That is why Cleveland and Buffalo are where they are today.
If we look at Blake Bortles, as an example, the Jags have built a tremendous team around him but he lacks the ability to get them over the top.
I'm sorry I don't even understand what you are talking about here. Sam Darnold is 6'3" and mobile with a strong arm. He may not be quite the size of Cam or Wentz but he's not small. Also, for every Cam and Wentz there are a dozen Ryan Mallets, JaMarus Russells, etc. Being a big strong armed QB does not equate to NFL success. If you look around the NFL there is a huge variety of QBs. Its almost as if being a QB is more about ones ability to actually be a QB than to chuck the ball really far and be really tall.
When you say mobile you don't mean Watson mobile you mean Brady mobile right? As you pointed out there will be one of these mediocre qbs at 12 for the bills to get.
Julio was a can't miss. Not a hard choice to make and one anyone would make. Heck if my team didn't need a receiver I would have took him. Id have loved to see him with the pats.
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