Alabama QB competition article

[bamacpa]

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Is the expectation that we see Tua as soon as we saw Jalen against USC ?

 

[KrAzY3]

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I've been as big a Hurts supporter as anyone here. I knew all along his game had deficiencies (though I held out hope that he could improve), but I do think it became easy to overlook the things he did well, and the valuable contributions he did make. Anyway, having said that...

I simply can not fathom Hurts actually being the starter at this point. Even when I was steadfastly defending Hurts, I understand there were certain things Tua did better. I hoped Hurts would develop more, but there was always an aspect of this that lead me to believe that if Tua did catch him and prove himself, I wasn't sure how Hurts could move back ahead. Things went off the rails for Hurts and the end last year, his performance against Georgia was arguably his worst, his last A-Day was arguably his worst, I'm not seeing everything but I haven't yet seen the Hurts that there would need to be in order to catch up with Tua.

So, what do I make of the suggestion that Hurts might in fact get the nod? I still can't believe it is more than lip service. If he's trying to keep Hurts engaged, trying to help him save face, doing a AJ vs. Phillip Sims thing might be what it takes. Remember, even in that QB battle there was a sense that the job was AJ's but Saban was letting it play out that way to let Phillip be more engaged.

TLDR: I can see Hurts starting the game out of respect to everything he's done, I can't however see him being named the starter.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

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LOL I'm dead. This is literally me right now

 

[colbysullivan]

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It just doesn’t make any sense. Tua has the best odds to win the freaking Heisman for crying out loud. If they are going to start Jalen, and then put Tua in the 3rd series, what’s the point? Just start Tua from the beginning.

 

[Con]

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If Tua doesn’t start him and his brother deserve to transfer.

His brother is still in high school so no transfer would be necessary for him.


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[RollTide_HTTR]

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No one is going to transfer because of who started. Barnett started too...

 

[CrimsonProf]

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Y'all are getting too hung up on who takes the first snap. Jalen will play early but, barring injury, I believe that he keeps his redshirt.


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[Evil Crimson Dragon]

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His brother is still in high school so no transfer would be necessary for him.


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True...... but consider the possibility of losing him to another team and losing some other recruits........I don’t believe that will happen, and I think Tua hangs around, but I also think he should start

 

[GCtidefan]

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Way too early in the game for Bama to show all of their cards. UL will be defeated by a healthy run game unless it proves to be too difficult to do so.

 

[Toddrn]

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Regardless of who starts does coach sit them down together and tell them or separately?

 

[tusks_n_raider]

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Regardless of who starts does coach sit them down together and tell them or separately?

Averion probably finds out first since apparently his concerns/requests/demands are being met.

Then the QB's find out separately I would imagine.

 

[UAH]

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I've been as big a Hurts supporter as anyone here. I knew all along his game had deficiencies (though I held out hope that he could improve), but I do think it became easy to overlook the things he did well, and the valuable contributions he did make. Anyway, having said that...

I simply can not fathom Hurts actually being the starter at this point. Even when I was steadfastly defending Hurts, I understand there were certain things Tua did better. I hoped Hurts would develop more, but there was always an aspect of this that lead me to believe that if Tua did catch him and prove himself, I wasn't sure how Hurts could move back ahead. Things went off the rails for Hurts and the end last year, his performance against Georgia was arguably his worst, his last A-Day was arguably his worst, I'm not seeing everything but I haven't yet seen the Hurts that there would need to be in order to catch up with Tua.

So, what do I make of the suggestion that Hurts might in fact get the nod? I still can't believe it is more than lip service. If he's trying to keep Hurts engaged, trying to help him save face, doing a AJ vs. Phillip Sims thing might be what it takes. Remember, even in that QB battle there was a sense that the job was AJ's but Saban was letting it play out that way to let Phillip be more engaged.

TLDR: I can see Hurts starting the game out of respect to everything he's done, I can't however see him being named the starter.

I feel much the same way. I did think that with coaching Jalen would improve dramatically but all of the QBs have improved as well and Tua has a significantly higher ceiling when it comes to throwing the football.

In a side by side with any of the QBs it just appears to me that JH doesn't have the "arm talent" to be successful as a passer.

It is almost certain that CNS has seen enough as to who should be the starting QB and surely if it was important for JH to get more reps it is important for Tua to have the same opportunity for games down the road.

CNS is likely engaged in keeping both QB's on the roster for the good of the team which may or may not be the best for JH depending on what his career goals may be at this point. One other thing is abundantly clear to CNS as well. Players will transfer if they do not see an opportunity to build their NFL resume.

I do believe that Saban has had enough bad experiences with teams who throw the ball well and spread the field to go into the game being ambivalent about his offensive plan. One thing for certain Bama will need to score some points to beat a Patrino team. The offense has to be ready to play and put their considerable weapons to work and not dabble around with QB play!

 

[Saban4Ever]

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Playing devil's advocate...

For whatever you think of Jalen's deficiencies and for however many times anyone screams that 26-2 is a team accomplishment (when is it not?!) the fact remains that Jalen has been a steady cool-headed hand and his play did not prevent Alabama from getting to the past two national championship games. So what you want, it's still true.

I have my opinion on the matter but I (thankfully) am not in position to make the decision. And though I may not agree when/if the decision is made I will cheer for Jalen and the team to play better than they've ever played before and to have nothing but success and just the same if Tua trots out to start the game. And if the backup gets in I'll cheer for them and the team just like I did the starter.

The man making the decision has 6 national championships to his name. 6. Not 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 or 5, but 6. 5 in the past 9 years. Just missed 3 in a row twice during that time thanks to last second heroics by the other teams, once in the championship game itself. And lost in the semi-final yet another year. The man knows what he is doing. I may not agree with every decision he makes but his acumen is proven time after time. Is he human and therefore fallible? Yes. Have I and will I question his decisions? Yes. But he has earned my respect and deserves a fair amount of deference.

What will matter more than who starts the first game is who will win the job and how? What matters more is that we are Alabama Crimson Tide fans. We are fans of the school, the players, and the coaches. After all the hard work they put in they deserve our respect. Everything will work out just fine.

I agree with what you said. I am just concerned that Tua may transfer, we will not get his brother, and some wide receivers currently on the team and ones being recruited will not want to stay at BAMA. I am sure Saban has thought about this long term effect. I just hope he has talked to both QB at this point (and will again if one decides to transfer, especially Tua). Tua is certainly the better overall QB, so I wish this was not even a topic to discuss.

 

[Nolan]

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C’mon guys and gals.. We are working ourselves up over something we have no control over and very little knowledge of. There’s been such constant speculation that we’ve started believing our own worries as facts.

Look, maybe Jalen does start. But IMO if he’s completing 50% of his passes and averaging 6 yards per completion he won’t finish the game. It’ll be Tua time, for good.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

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I feel much the same way. I did think that with coaching Jalen would improve dramatically but all of the QBs have improved as well and Tua has a significantly higher ceiling when it comes to throwing the football.

In a side by side with any of the QBs it just appears to me that JH doesn't have the "arm talent" to be successful as a passer.

It almost certain that CNS has seen enough as to who should be the starting QB and surely if it was important for JH to get more reps it is important for Tua to have the same opportunity for games down the road.

CNS is likely engaged in keeping both QB's on the roster for the good of the team which may or may not be the best for JH depending on what his career goals may be at this point. One other thing is abundantly clear to CNS as well. Players will transfer if they do not see an opportunity to build their NFL resume.

I do believe that Saban has had enough bad experiences with teams who throw the ball well spread the field to go into the game being ambivalent about his offensive plan. One thing for certain Bama will need to score some points to beat a Patrino team. The offense has to be ready to play and put their considerable weapons to work and not dabble around with QB play!

Part of the situation is that Tua has literally thrown tens of thousands more passes than Jalen has. Their backgrounds and early training were entirely different, from what I've read. They both dominated in HS playing entirely different styles. There's a reason Jalen's dad wanted him to come to Bama to become an NFL QB. The problem was it was too late...

 

[GrayTide]

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I said it a month or so ago - I suspect Hurts will start against UL. Still believe it.

I said much the same thing very early in this thread and came under a lot of heat. I still believe Hurts starts and both play pretty much equally unless something major happens to change the rotation.

 

[gtgilbert]

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No one is going to transfer because of who started. Barnett started too...

maybe not just on who starts, but if Tua isn't taking a huge majority of the snaps, I could see the WR getting very, very upset and several making the decision to leave. Almost happened already

 

[UAH]

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Part of the situation is that Tua has literally thrown tens of thousands more passes than Jalen has. Their backgrounds and early training were entirely different, from what I've read. They both dominated in HS playing entirely different styles. There's a reason Jalen's dad wanted him to come to Bama to become an NFL QB. The problem was it was too late...

I believe that to be an absolutely true statement.

 

[crimsonaudio]

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It's game week - I'm going to sit back, trust the staff, and watch this unfold.

That Bama retained Locksley will go a long way to wards ensuring things work out for the best...

Stay calm and Roll Tide!

 

[Crimson White]

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I agree with what you said. I am just concerned that Tua may transfer, we will not get his brother, and some wide receivers currently on the team and ones being recruited will not want to stay at BAMA.

I don't think there is any doubt that if Saban settles on Hurts as the regular starting qb, Tua will transfer. Why would a guy with NFL potential sit 3 years behind an inferior qb, and settle for playing only 1 year, which could impact a potential NFL contract. And yes, recruiting skill position players, especially wide receivers, will suffer too. I don't think it'll happen like that. I think Saban will finally settle on Tagovailoa by at least the 4th game, and hopefully by the 2nd game.