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TIDE-HSV said:
Part of the situation is that Tua has literally thrown tens of thousands more passes than Jalen has. Their backgrounds and early training were entirely different, from what I've read. They both dominated in HS playing entirely different styles. There's a reason Jalen's dad wanted him to come to Bama to become an NFL QB. The problem was it was too late...
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It's a perfect example of the 10,000 hour rule Malcolm Gladwell writes about in Outliers.
 
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For over 10 years at Alabama, CNS has always said that he'll play the best players. Either Jalen is the better QB or he's not.

If Jalen starts, then there are two possible reasons IMO, either:

1. CNS has evaluated and truly thinks Jalen is the better QB at this point to start for this team, OR
2. He's deviating from historical practice of starting the best players and is starting Jalen as the way of managing all of this clutter (player retention, vocal parents, fan reaction, the media, etc) while he knows that both QBs will play a significant role in this game.

Either way, he knows what is best for THIS team and we can trust this process.
 
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If they do have more or less equal rotation until something happens to separate them Jalen will be forced by play calling to distribute the ball well. If he doesn't he'll be pulled as starter. If he attempts to distribute the ball chances are good that sooner or later he'll mess something up either missing, throwing behind or throw an interception. If he doesn't mess up it's an even bigger problem because no matter how good Jalen plays Tua is by far the better qb.
I would much prefer Tua just start and play as #1, but I doubt it'll happen.
 
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BadgerTidefan said:
If they do have more or less equal rotation until something happens to separate them Jalen will be forced by play calling to distribute the ball well. If he doesn't he'll be pulled as starter. If he attempts to distribute the ball chances are good that sooner or later he'll mess something up either missing, throwing behind or throw an interception. If he doesn't mess up it's an even bigger problem because no matter how good Jalen plays Tua is by far the better qb.
I would much prefer Tua just start and play as #1, but I doubt it'll happen.
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I fully expect Jalen to start, although I'd prefer Tua. At the same time, I think it's possible to make too much of the choice of starter. I think Jalen will be given one final opportunity to show that he can - or can't - handle distributing the ball in an efficient manner and space will develop between the two. When it's clear that Tua will get the bulk of the snaps, I think Jalen's redshirt will be preserved...
 
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TIDE-HSV said:
At the same time, I think it's possible to make too much of the choice of starter.
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Kinda crazy to think that Bama is so stacked that they'll win 10 or more games regardless as to which one starts. What other school could say that? Few, if any...
 
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TIDE-HSV said:
I fully expect Jalen to start, although I'd prefer Tua. At the same time, I think it's possible to make too much of the choice of starter. I think Jalen will be given one final opportunity to show that he can - or can't - handle distributing the ball in an efficient manner and space will develop between the two. When it's clear that Tua will get the bulk of the snaps, I think Jalen's redshirt will be preserved...
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with all that is going on, i am somewhat thankful that i will be on a long flights while the ul game is being played. i can only imagine the game thread for louisville.
 
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If Jalen’s stat line at halftime is 5/11 63 yds, no TDs and no INTs...

It’s Tua Time.
 
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Nolan said:
If Jalen’s stat line at halftime is 5/11 63 yds, no TDs and no INTs...

It’s Tua Time.
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I'm not sure about it, but from what I've read, Lousiville doesn't have a very good defense, so I expect he'll have decent stats.
 
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bamaltc said:
For over 10 years at Alabama, CNS has always said that he'll play the best players. Either Jalen is the better QB or he's not.

If Jalen starts, then there are two possible reasons IMO, either:

1. CNS has evaluated and truly thinks Jalen is the better QB at this point to start for this team, OR
2. He's deviating from historical practice of starting the best players and is starting Jalen as the way of managing all of this clutter (player retention, vocal parents, fan reaction, the media, etc) while he knows that both QBs will play a significant role in this game.

Either way, he knows what is best for THIS team and we can trust this process.
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In the last 10 years, CNS has probably done #2 a few times. It just may have not been at a position as "high profile" as Jalen vs. Tua.

There is also, possibly a 3rd possibility and it's that CNS knows who the more talented player is, but the "timing" to play him over the more experienced player might not be right.

It's probably the reason CNS chose to go ahead and start Jalen against Clemson and Georgia last year even though Tua had gone 54-58 against our 1's in practice the week before Clemson.

I don't think there's really a question about who CNS believes is the best "long term" solution for our offense, but if Jalen starts I can only imagine it's this scenario.

And, I agree with others that some are making way too much about who takes the first snap. I truly believe Tua is the far better talent but I'm not so much concerned with who makes the first snap as who plays the majority of snaps this season. I'd litterally be shocked if CNS doesn't settle on Tua, at some point.
 
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Nolan said:
If Jalen’s stat line at halftime is 5/11 63 yds, no TDs and no INTs...

It’s Tua Time.
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It's been 'Tua Time' for 8 months now.

He proved he's the better player on the field in the highest pressure situation imaginable.

It was pretty apparant that the entire team in all 3 phases played with some extra juice after Tua came off the bench.... I'd say the team was already 'Won Over' by him at that point and if not then they surely were by time the game was over.

I know for a FACT that Tua has thoroughly outplayed and outperformed #2 all month long in the practices and scrimmages.

If he STILL doesn't start then I question a LOT of things going on....

It's unbelievable to me that Averion can shoot his mouth off with Free agent talk making playing time demands or else type threats.....AND #2 throwing the Staff under the bus on the mic a few weeks ago....AND STILL being outplayed by the 'Backup' for all of August.... AND STILL there are whispers are that he will Start???

The whole thing is madness. Are we coddling players now and acquiescing to the demands of helicopter parents??

This isn't little league/MS/HS is it??? Where politics and parents/coaches have 'agreements' on sonny boy getting his playing time?

This is D1 SEC big boy football. You don't play games and get cute.... you Start and Play the BEST players at each respective position.

If we were talking about LB do you think a Mack Wilson and/or Dylan Moses should play over a Keith Holcombe? Because there is a pretty big gap there over who would be the better LB.

The gap at QB is just as larger if not larger.

I don't even know what else to say..... that this is even a remote question any more.
 
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Crimson White said:
I'm not sure about it, but from what I've read, Lousiville doesn't have a very good defense, so I expect he'll have decent stats.
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That's the problem. He'll look acceptable against this team. The truest indication of how he's running this team is the third and seven plus yards conversion percentage. That's the down where I know we're passing, you know we're passing, and they know we're passing. Jalen will have to face a defense that will make him read the defense, find the hole, and get the ball to the playmaker accurately.

There's no excuse. There are few, if any, defenses in college football that can put the talent on the field to cover every one of Alabama's five eligible receivers on any given play. John Doe has shown us the light. How many of us made excuses for Jalen? Look back at the game threads, "our guys just can't get any separation against their secondary." Wrong, dead wrong. Our quarterback just can't see the field.


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As far as the right time posts: down 13-0 in the national championship game certainly wasn't the right time to bring him in, but he was brought in and performed well. I believe taking first team reps and game planning for a weaker opponent is most likely a better situation to be brought into.


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BamaMoon said:
I don't think there's really a question about who CNS believes is the best "long term" solution for our offense, but if Jalen starts I can only imagine it's this scenario.
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That is my biggest concern. Starting Jalen may cause major long term issues. Based on everything we have heard, it has already cost us some recruits, specifically WR. It could lead to Tua leaving and his brother decommiting. It could lead to the disgruntled WR from last year leaving. There could be a hit in recruiting again at key positions. It also has the potential to have parents be more vocal in the media in efforts to get their kids more playing time.

I know that all sounds doom and gloom but it is the potential reality. Jalen may go out there and be lights out. He could also be on a very short leash or there's a plan for them to split possessions.
 
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AlexanderFan said:
As far as the right time posts: down 13-0 in the national championship game certainly wasn't the right time to bring him in, but he was brought in and performed well.


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That's probably what, to me, is most confounding. When the team needed offensive production, Saban turned to the one guy that can do it, and now this supposed competition.
 
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Someone mentioned the difficulties the moderators might have here if Jalen starts the game but I'm also concerned about crowd reaction at the game if Jalen trots out there for the first series. Jalen certainly didn't endear himself to the fans after complaining to the media about the coaching staff. If we have a quick 3 and out with Jalen after throwing an incomplete pass the crowd could start to become vocal. Things could deteriorate quickly. If Saban chooses to start Tua he won't be second guessed by the media or the fans. Most likely nobody will wonder why he chose Tua to start but there's quite a few that may wonder why he started Jalen.
 
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AlexanderFan said:
As far as the right time posts: down 13-0 in the national championship game certainly wasn't the right time to bring him in, but he was brought in and performed well. I believe taking first team reps and game planning for a weaker opponent is most likely a better situation to be brought into.


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FWIW, I'm not saying I agree with it, but it's the only reason I can imagine that CNS might make that decision.

Also, I don't think no matter how smooth Jalen might look (if he starts), Tua is not going to sit on the bench the whole game.

I think CNS has said he expects both to play.

Me personally, I'd rather see Tua play the first 3 quarters and build an insurmountable lead and then Jalen get the mop up time. But, I'm going to be sitting on the couch and CNS is the one making the big bucks.
 
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CrimsonSpartan said:
There's no better time to play Tua over Jalen than now.
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I agree 100%...again I'm just speculating what CNS might be thinking if he chooses to start Jalen.

Also, if that occurs, I really think CNS would have communicated with Tua about his plans. I'd literally be shocked if Tua didn't know how CNS planned to use both of them in game 1.
 
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