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Crimson White said:
I'm still wondering what is "meh"
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No precise meaning, but what I usually take from it is that the person is saying, "I'm not impressed.". IMO, in this case, it is totally unwarranted. It was a great decision, throw and catch. Congrats to Tua and DeVonta.
 
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B1GTide said:
Agree, but only to a point. The safety has only one job to do on that play. He has to trust his team mates to do theirs. He didn't. He allowed Tua to keep him off his line by trying to do too much on the play. If he just does his job, that pass is not available. Of course, there were 2 other receivers and the RB wide open for shorter passes, so no matter what you were going to be okay, but the CB on that route had the underneath coverage. The safety knows this. The safety knows that if the receiver releases up the field, he is the only person who can defend him.

So, it boils down to one thing - that safety did not do his job. Call it a blown coverage, or call it something else, but that is where it starts and stops. If he does his job, the pass is never thrown. I understand the desire to give Tua all of the credit, but you can bet that Kirby saw it completely differently. And, as a DB coach, Saban probably sees it the same way Kirby does. Sometimes you straight up beat the other team, and sometimes they help. That safety helped.
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There was a lot that went into that play for sure.

#1 - the CB was playing off like he was in quarters, so didn't get a jam to slow down Smith. he also kept running with the WR like he had quarters coverage. No other receiver was in, or headed to the short zone.

#2 - Smith just smoked the CB. I mean smoked him. Even if the S was shaded a little wider, with no jam on the line to slow Smith down and him running full speed, I'm not sure the S would have been able to get there.

#3 - Matt Wyatt in his review thought the S had responsibility for the deep half the field, with assumed CB help since the CB didn't break down into a zone. The way the play was designed, the TE was coming open down the hash right in front of the S, and that's also very likely the responsibility of the S, because it's less likely that the LB will drop deep (at least successfully) with the TE than it is the CB will continue to drop with the WR especially with no short receivers in the left flat, but with a short receiver (RB) underneath in the middle that is LB responsibility.

#4 - Tua made an amazing read on the play. He understand that the initial cover 2 look was not actually cover two because of the right side CB dropping back out of coverage so fast. He also knew point 3 above and read the S was shaded more toward the TE route coming into his zone than the WR route, so Tua goes to the WR. had the S gone wide, then the TE is also wide open and even though he might not score, he probably gets really close because the right side S was moving forward and off the hash to cover the WR who had come open and I'm not sure either S would have gotten there had the left S been wide enough to stop Smith. That play is a lot like an option, in that if the play is called against the right coverage, it puts the S into an almost no win situation because two guys are coming at him.

#5 - in reference to #2 - the throw was amazing. I'm not really sure the S could have gotten over there unless he'd been playing the on the numbers, and that would be something rarely seen and a double coverage concept designed for someone like Julio, Cooper or Ridley and I don't think UGA would have made a call like that against Smith.
 
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Tua was smart enough and skilled enough to throw some "bait" to the safety to influence him. If Tua hadn't of done that the guy probably wouldn't have drifted out of position. Also not to go unnoticed is the actual execution of the pass. That is all Tua. The guy is looking to one part of the field and snaps back to the other side and immediately throws a frozen rope that hits the WR in perfect stride. He did this without even using a split second to see the WR and read his depth. Granted, from an evaluation/grading standpoint, yes, the safety contributed to the play being open. But the safety had nothing to do with the actual execution of the play, which is just as if not more impressive than Tua using his eyes and body to get the safety out of position.



B1GTide said:
Agree, but only to a point. The safety has only one job to do on that play. He has to trust his team mates to do theirs. He didn't. He allowed Tua to keep him off his line by trying to do too much on the play. If he just does his job, that pass is not available. Of course, there were 2 other receivers and the RB wide open for shorter passes, so no matter what you were going to be okay, but the CB on that route had the underneath coverage. The safety knows this. The safety knows that if the receiver releases up the field, he is the only person who can defend him.

So, it boils down to one thing - that safety did not do his job. Call it a blown coverage, or call it something else, but that is where it starts and stops. If he does his job, the pass is never thrown. I understand the desire to give Tua all of the credit, but you can bet that Kirby saw it completely differently. And, as a DB coach, Saban probably sees it the same way Kirby does. Sometimes you straight up beat the other team, and sometimes they help. That safety helped.
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Herby's comments may be rat poison, but only if the team takes things like that to heart and fails to properly respect the game and their opponent. That hasn't happened often under Nick Saban, even with similar superlatives thrown the team's way over the years.
 
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I hope they aren't even paying attention to that.
TideEngineer08 said:
Herby's comments may be rat poison, but only if the team takes things like that to heart and fails to properly respect the game and their opponent. That hasn't happened often under Nick Saban, even with similar superlatives thrown the team's way over the years.
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Bamabuzzard said:
Tua was smart enough and skilled enough to throw some "bait" to the safety to influence him. If Tua hadn't of done that the guy probably wouldn't have drifted out of position. Also not to go unnoticed is the actual execution of the pass. That is all Tua. The guy is looking to one part of the field and snaps back to the other side and immediately throws a frozen rope that hits the WR in perfect stride. He did this without even using a split second to see the WR and read his depth. Granted, from an evaluation/grading standpoint, yes, the safety contributed to the play being open. But the safety had nothing to do with the actual execution of the play, which is just as if not more impressive than Tua using his eyes and body to get the safety out of position.
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Makes me wonder if Tua's peripheral vision is also "wider/clearer" than most peoples.

When he turns his body to throw to Smith, it's like he already knew exactly where he was. That would be real hard to know, not knowing if he would have got jammed at the LOS.

More than anything it just shows his incredible ability to process information quickly and make unusual rapid decisions and to have the ability to make the physical reaction to do what he decided to do.

I think Tua is going to be like Magic Johnson on grass.
 
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Crimson White said:
I'm still wondering what is "meh"
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Well I can see I kicked a few hornets nest here lol. First meh was more of saying “Yeah Tua made a heisman-like throw but..”
I also agree partly with the idea that every play someone messes up, just not always. Sometimes someone just gets outplayed (ie lineman pancaking his man).
In short, everything was in alignment for that play to happen. Change any variable and it wouldn’t have happened. Tua did everything perfect on that play, the safety however didn’t. That could be because of Tua or anything else it really doesn’t matter regarding the outcome of the play.
Lastly, I never said the keep away game would work every time, just that will be the game plan. Remember Mississippi State done that last year, granted we will pretty stagnant on offense.
 
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What is the over/under for how many times the camera shows the QB that is not currently playing during our game?
 
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RTR91 said:
Has to be a split screen or small square in the corner.
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And replays of their reactions when the on-field QB scores a touchdown or has as huge play. Hurts is just as capable of ripping a hole in that sieve of a defense so we will liekly get lots of shots of Tua applauding and getting hyped in the 2nd half as Jalen runs roughshod over them.
Tat's assuming this goes the way I think - which - ya know - who knows...
 
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DzynKingRTR said:
What is the over/under for how many times the camera shows the QB that is not currently playing during our game?
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I'm actually worried about them pulling whatever QB doesn't get the start aside at the end of the game to get their thoughts ALA Jalen after the championship game. I didn't like that they put him on the spot like that but he handled that moment with a lot of grace and class.

When people get upset about his comments at the start of fall camp I often think about how he comported himself during and after that game. I think he's a good kid who is in a tough spot. I really like him.
 
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Intl.Aperture said:
I'm actually worried about them pulling whatever QB doesn't get the start aside at the end of the game to get their thoughts ALA Jalen after the championship game. I didn't like that they put him on the spot like that but he handled that moment with a lot of grace and class.

When people get upset about his comments at the start of fall camp I often think about how he comported himself during and after that game. I think he's a good kid who is in a tough spot. I really like him.
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Hopefully Saban and the media consultant has them both prepped for that.


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The rumors and speculation about who will start and how much each QB will play is all over the place. I'm sure CNS loves it.
 
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