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Extreme view, but I'll yield it as it really doesn't matter wrt this conversation. Therefore, once again I'll point out that you seem to be conflating 'republican' with 'conservative'. Despite overlap, there's a difference.

Unless / until someone has proof that the 'conservative' SOCTUS justices are racist / misogynist (or whatever you wish to accuse them of), these posts about 'blacks as slaves, women as property' are simply emotional knee-jerk reactions with no backing, simply because you don't like some of the courts' decisions.

Historically you've been above the hyperbolic stance you've taken as of late, whereby anyone that doesn't align with your views 100% is wrong, or worse, evil.
I do not think that this court wants to see blacks or women subjugated again, but they are marching to the beat of a group that would happily accept either of those things as long as they get to retain their power. The question - are they just tools being used, or are they complicit?
 

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I do not think that this court wants to see blacks or women subjugated again,
You literally posted this:
Yep - conservative justices would be fine going back to the original version, with blacks as slaves, women as property and all the power residing with the states. And, yes, I know that one is black and another a woman. They are too stupid to realize where their views would put themselves if they really got what they want.

These people are human garbage.
So which is it? You unequivocally stated that the conservative justices wanted 'blacks or women subjugated again', and now you say they don't?

This is the hyperbolic stance I'm talking about. When you start talking about 'them' in extreme ways, placing every evil you can on 'them', well, history tells us where that leads.
 

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I’m curious Big, what would say to POC that call themselves Republicans and/or conservatives? Have you seen the numbers swing from Democrats to Republicans for Hispanics and to a lesser degree to African-Americans?
 
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You literally posted this:

So which is it? You unequivocally stated that the conservative justices wanted 'blacks or women subjugated again', and now you say they don't?
I believe what I said - that they want the Constitution to move backward to the original. I also said that they do not realize what they are doing - that the result would be the subjugation of blacks and women. They are fools, on a fools errand.

I may not have stated it very well, but it was pretty clear to me what I meant. You seem to stop reading a post when you hit something that resonates with you and ignore everything that comes afterward. Because I also said in that post that one was black and another a woman, but, "They are too stupid to realize where their views would put themselves if they really got what they want."
 
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I’m curious Big, what would say to POC that call themselves Republicans and/or conservatives? Have you seen the numbers swing from Democrats to Republicans for Hispanics and to a lesser degree to African-Americans?
I would call any minority in America who votes GOP a fool. But the world is full of fools. They probably think the same of me. I mean, why would a white man support a political view which would move me and my sons from our spot at the front of the line?
 
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I believe what I said - that they want the Constitution to move backward to the original. I also said that they do not realize what they are doing - that the result would be the subjugation of blacks and women. They are fools, on a fools errand.
Well, it seems clear that you've lumped six SCOTUS justices into a group based on a decision you don't like. And rather than explain why / how this is happening, or why / how the other three justices are somehow above reproach, you simply paint with a broad brush.

I may not have stated it very well, but it was pretty clear to me what I meant.
Agree to disagree.

You seem to stop reading a post when you hit something that resonates with you and ignore everything that comes afterward. Because I also said in that post that one was black and another a woman, but, "They are too stupid to realize where their views would put themselves if they really got what they want."
Not really, I don't always quote the entire post as I don't always feel it necessary to pick every aspect of it apart. Or I don't feel it's necessary wrt explaining my position.

Either way, I get what you're suggesting, I'm just saying you've gotten to the point that everything seems to be a crisis and only those who agree with you 100% are intelligent, or at least not evil. Or you paint others as being what they are not simply because they don't agree with you.
 

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I would call any minority in America who votes GOP a fool. But the world is full of fools. They probably think the same of me. I mean, why would a white man support a political view which would move me and my sons from our spot at the front of the line?
If you believe you and your sons are wrongly at the front of the line, why would you wait until political mechanisms are passed to move you? Why don't y'all just move yourselves? Not being snarky, asking legitimately.
 
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Either way, I get what you're suggesting, I'm just saying you've gotten to the point that everything seems to be a crisis and only those who agree with you 100% are intelligent, or at least not evil. Or you paint others as being what they are not simply because they don't agree with you.
Look, it is time to take sides. There is no safe middle ground in America right now. One side is literally trying to destroy our republic. If you do not take a position, then you are taking a position, because you are either working to get rid of these evil people or you are standing by and watching it happen.

I am tired of hearing "conservatives" support positions like this one in the name of conservatism. You are either part of the solution, or you are part of the problem.
 

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If you believe you and your sons are wrongly at the front of the line, why would you wait until political mechanisms are passed to move you? Why don't y'all just move yourselves? Not being snarky, asking legitimately.
LOL, you really think like that, don't you? How sad.
 

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LOL, you really think like that, don't you? How sad.
You're the one who said it dude, not me. You explicitly stated that you support political views that would remove you and your sons from the front of the line. So obviously if you got your "political way" something tangible and material would happen to impact your daily life. So again, why wait for laws/policies to make you do something you can go ahead and do now?

I think what's happened is you've been called out and have no defense other than huge knee jerk reactions of gaslighting. As others who normally agree with you have routinely pointed out, you seem to have a bad habit of it. It's a conversational defense mechanism for someone who's run out of substance. I've got a brother-in-law who does the same thing...
 

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Look, it is time to take sides. There is no safe middle ground in America right now. One side is literally trying to destroy our republic. If you do not take a position, then you are taking a position, because you are either working to get rid of these evil people or you are standing by and watching it happen.

I am tired of hearing "conservatives" support positions like this one in the name of conservatism. You are either part of the solution, or you are part of the problem.
The reasons for the Voting RIghts Act and Civil Rights Act didn't just vanish when those measures became law.

They stayed in place for decades as a firewall.

Right-wing elements in Congress and on the SC have gradually gutted much of that firewall.

And we see the results. Active attempts at voter suppression on those same states that Congress and the Courts had to step in (in the past) to prevent.

So, yes. If you are tired of hearing about how "conservatives" support positions like this in the name of conservatism, maybe you should rethink what it means to be a conservative in this day and age. It's all about trying to hold on to power in a nation that is turning more blue as the days go by.
 

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You're the one who said it dude, not me. You explicitly stated that you support political views that would remove you and your sons from the front of the line. So obviously if you got your "political way" something tangible and material would happen to impact your daily life. So again, why wait for laws/policies to make you do something you can go ahead and do now?

I think what's happened is you've been called out and have no defense other than huge knee jerk reactions of gaslighting. As others who normally agree with you have routinely pointed out, you seem to have a bad habit of it. It's a conversational defense mechanism for someone who's run out of substance. I've got a brother-in-law who does the same thing...
If you do not believe that white men have placed themselves at the front of the line in America and are working hard to try and hold onto that place in line, nothing I say here will change that. Sorry, the fact that you are even taking this stance says a lot about you.
 

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I'm facepalming with you, we all are...
If you do not believe that white men have placed themselves at the front of the line in America and are working hard to try and hold onto that place in line, nothing I say here will change that. Sorry, the fact that you are even taking this stance says a lot about you.
So all white men like Brad, Earle, me, and all white men in America (except you and your sons of course) are actively working to stay at the front of the line and keep POC far away from it? Is this what you're saying?

Words matter, phrases matter.... that seems to be completely lost on you.
 
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I'm facepalming with you, we all are...


So all white men like Brad, Earle, me, and all white men in America (except you and your sons of course) are actively working to stay at the front of the line and keep POC far away from it? Is this what you're saying?

Words matter, phrases matter.... that seems to be completely lost on you.
No, conservatives are. Liberals and moderates are not. That is made pretty clear in my posts here.
 
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Goodness, do you have any thing showing that this is the case or this just another example of emotional, reactionary posting because something didn't go your way?

It's one thing to hate on something someone does, but to suggest they're all racist is a bit much.
I'm not saying anything other than I think they are corrupt and crazy. The Dixiecrats of Strom Thurmond, (who, let's face it, contained KKK and the NAZI America Firster's of the pre-WWII years) who were discarded by LBJ and the Democrats with the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 were quickly picked up by the GOP. They were thought to be controllable. This has been proven a fallacy.

The entire reason for the Two-Party System was a gentleman's agreement of the majority of smart Americans to prevent a lunatic like George Wallace or Lyndon LaRouche (or the Kingfish) from ever becoming President. This agreement has also been proven a folly with the ascension of Trump to the nomination and then success in the General. Jeff Greenfield wrote an interesting, tho quaint, book called "The People's Choice" about the ramifications today if the Electoral College worked as intended by the founders and failed to provide a majority and the decision was thrown into the House so the "Grown-ups" could pick the President and The Senate the Vice, conveniently taking the decision away from the people who "wouldn't have to worry their pretty little heads". Stock and Bond markets through the floor and worldwide Depression as the rest of the world looked on in horror and pulled their money out of Treasury Bonds and sold their reserve dollars. Jan 6, 2021 nearly gave us a test of his theory.

I truly would love a frank, civil, even cold and emotionless, as though we were studying the fossilized remains of a prehistoric insect, discussion of our Founding Fathers and our Constitution. I imagine we have some PoliSci majors, History majors, maybe even real Constitutional Scholars among us. I'm just a regular guy who has tried to understand the little corner and time of the world where he came into being. I know this would be difficult for all of us, especially for me, as I seem to care more about the ideals of right and wrong I was brought up with than "what's good for me and mine right now and screw the rest". I was brought up to associate these ideals with the United States of America, which, I realize, was extremely naive and provincial.

I think, given all we have had to overcome with our slave-owning, multicultural beginnings, we've done kind of an amazing job, overall. Lots of hideous evils to face up to, as well. Still, looking at Europe, we can hold up our heads and say "well, at least we ain't Mississippi", haha.
 
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