Trump deeds and misdeeds VI

[Crimson1967]

what is most crazy about the time is that Agnew wasn't removed for anything Nixon was doing, Watergate or any of it. He was running his own grifts and the DOJ had him dead to rights, 40+ counts iirc. He only didn't die in jail because he happened to work for a crook as large as him.

He plead no contest to tax evasion. The government just wanted him out of the line of succession.

Speaking of his death, here’s a picture of his grave I took last year.



That’s it. Just a marker and no headstone. Not even the month and days he and his wife were born. Probably the smallest marker in relation to someone’s fame.

Imagine him watching Nixon taking his second oath. He probably imagined himself standing there in four years. He likely had a campaign for 1976 working in his head. Then in nine months he was out of office. If only he had been honest. That aside, I think we were better off with Gerald Ford.

I also got a picture of one of his neighbors who is probably more fondly remembered in Baltimore.

 

[Jon]

He plead no contest to tax evasion. The government just wanted him out of the line of succession.

Speaking of his death, here’s a picture of his grave I took last year.

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That’s it. Just a marker and no headstone. Not even the month and days he and his wife were born. Probably the smallest marker in relation to someone’s fame.

Imagine him watching Nixon taking his second oath. He probably imagined himself standing there in four years. He likely had a campaign for 1976 working in his head. Then in nine months he was out of office. If only he had been honest. That aside, I think we were better off with Gerald Ford.

I also got a picture of one of his neighbors who is probably more fondly remembered in Baltimore.

amazing there is no "former VP" or anything on his grave

anyone interested in this story should check out Maddow's Bagman Podcast, it was excellent.

 

[Crimson1967]

I only found it because of the flags on it.

I’ve heard the podcast. It is very interesting. Apparently he was on the take as VP, I never knew that. I always thought it was from when he was county supervisor (or whatever he did) and maybe governor of Maryland.

 

[Jon]

what happens if Trump wins in 2024 is seriously deranged and scary

Jack Smith Has an Indictment. Trump Has a Massive Plan for Revenge

For more than a year, Donald Trump and his allies have been drawing plans to undo Smith's investigations, as well as to punish everyone involved

www.rollingstone.com

 

[Crimson1967]

Wasn’t sure where to post this.

Trump weighs in on the US Women’s World Cup defeat.

Trump taunts defeated U.S. women's national team

Trump said the team's flame-out is "fully emblematic of what is happening to the our once great Nation."

www.politico.com

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Here's a very detailed and well-reasoned article by Galloway on the likelihood I raised about the chances of Trump's cutting a deal. I'll cross-posted it in the thread on the Republican primaries...

Galloway

 

[Jon]

Here's a very detailed and well-reasoned article by Galloway on the likelihood I raised about the chances of Trump's cutting a deal. I'll cross-posted it in the thread on the Republican primaries...

Galloway

his logic checks out nicely but it does not account for Trump's stubborn confidence and the fact that he has never seemed to face a real consequence in his life. I do hope he is correct however and I love this description of Desantis "The strongest would-be contender, Ron DeSantis, went from anti-woke warrior to brightening every room he leaves."

 

[Go Bama]

Here's a very detailed and well-reasoned article by Galloway on the likelihood I raised about the chances of Trump's cutting a deal. I'll cross-posted it in the thread on the Republican primaries...

Galloway

Excellent article, and the first one from Medium I've been able to read all the way through. Galloway made Trump's case sound almost hopeless until the end of the article where he stated Trump's chance of staying out of prison were 50/50.

I'd love to see Trump go to prison, but if just pulls out of the election, I'll take that as a win.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

his logic checks out nicely but it does not account for Trump's stubborn confidence and the fact that he has never seemed to face a real consequence in his life. I do hope he is correct however and I love this description of Desantis "The strongest would-be contender, Ron DeSantis, went from anti-woke warrior to brightening every room he leaves."

As Galloway says, he's folded his hand numerous times to save his own skin. Joe, I don't think he meant that his chance of election were 50-50. Remember that there are such outcomes a suspended sentences with probation, etc. If you noticed, his reasoning in favor of a plea were the same as mine earlier...

 

[Go Bama]

As Galloway says, he's folded his hand numerous times to save his own skin. Joe, I don't think he meant that his chance of election were 50-50. Remember that there are such outcomes a suspended sentences with probation, etc. If you noticed, his reasoning in favor of a plea were the same as mine earlier...

I did notice that.

 

[UAH]

Here's a very detailed and well-reasoned article by Galloway on the likelihood I raised about the chances of Trump's cutting a deal. I'll cross-posted it in the thread on the Republican primaries...

Galloway

A very well reasoned article. I shared with my wife. This is likely the most critical issue to the future of Western Democracy since WW ll. It is amazing, isn't it, that literally millions of people would vote for him. Never realizing the personal consequences they are subject to if he is successful in being elected.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Here's a very detailed and well-reasoned article by Galloway on the likelihood I raised about the chances of Trump's cutting a deal. I'll cross-posted it in the thread on the Republican primaries...

Galloway

Wow, great article, thank you.

I hadn't really thought about his desperation to win re-election in order to avoid jail. This election is going to be a bigger circus than before.

 

[CrimsonNagus]

If he wasn't in legal trouble, I don't think he runs again. He needs that pardon power to make all his troubles go away. Remember, he considered pardoning himself before he left office in 2021 because he knew indictments were on the horizon. I bet he kicks himself every day for not pardoning himself.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

IF there's a plea deal, I expect it to come mid-trial, possibly before, after his counsel see the evidence, when he has the opportunity to see the evidence and who's going to testify against him...

 

[4Q Basket Case]

Due to varying strengths of evidence in the charges, I’m not sure I buy the extent of the mathematical argument. Using conviction percentages adjusted for weaker cases, the math might still indicate that logic would advise a plea deal. But probably not to the extent Galloway cites.

The most compelling part of the article to me was the recognition that the national electorate doesn’t decide presidential elections…..states do. So focus on national-level polls is a fool’s errand. The real issue is polls in a few specific states.

Regarding DOJ indictments, I think Trump just might be banking on math himself….the mathematical path to a hung jury.

With 12 jurors, there’s always the possibility of a Trump backer who wouldn’t vote to convict even if presented with video evidence — and a hung jury takes only one vote. Four of those in a row is a bit of a stretch. But if you get an acquittal in two weak cases and a hung jury on a strong one, the fourth gets real problematic real quick.

Want to geek out regarding the math on jurors?

Assume the public is just 25% hard core Trump. The chance of getting 12 jurors, none of whom are hard core Trump, is .75 to the 12th power, or roughly 3%.

Say the 25% number is overrated, and it’s only 15% who would vote to acquit no matter the evidence. .85 to the 12th is still only a 14% chance of getting 12 jurors none of whom are hard-core Trump.

Even if it’s only 5%, it’s still not much better than 50/50 (54% to be exact) that you get 12 jurors who would consider a guilty verdict.

I agree that Trump’s guilty. I’m just saying that I think Galloway might overstate the case for Trump entering a plea deal.

 

[Jon]

response to Galloway

https://us.cnn.com/2023/08/08/opinions/trump-plea-deal-indictment-filipovic/index.html

 

[CrimsonNagus]

I don't think Trump would ever except a plea deal because that would require admitting guilt.

I hate how her article, and many others, seem to always mention "he has pled not guilty to all charges". Like, no crap, that's what you do in this country to get a trial.

 

[NationalTitles18]

I don't think Trump would ever except a plea deal because that would require admitting guilt.

I vacillate between this and he would to stay out of jail but would make himself out as the victim (like always).

 

[Crimson1967]

I’m just glad Trump is old. He will be 82 in 2028 and unlikely to run again. (Yes, I know Biden will be 82 next year). Can you imagine if he was 60 and we had to deal with him another 15-20 years?

 

[Go Bama]

I vacillate between this and he would to stay out of jail but would make himself out as the victim (like always).

I'm still not ruling out Trump bolts for Russia.