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[CB4]

Jess N’s wrap up really says it all. It was a failure in many different areas.

The most intriguing part is “Why are we attempting to make JM something he clearly isn’t - a stay in the pocket, read multiple progressions QB?” The time for that development passed while the previous OC was busy chugging Diet Coke and letting Bryce Young save his bacon.

JM is an RPO QB. Plain and simple. And he can serviceable in the passing game as long as we play to the things he CAN DO.

So make up your mind. If JM is “your guy” for Pete’s sake, play to his strengths. Otherwise, go to one of the QB’s that fit your offensive scheme.

EDIT : Let me be clear. I am not throwing JM under the bus. Far from it.
The number one job of a coach in any sport is to place a player in “the opportunity to grow, develop and HAVE SUCCESS”. We clearly are not putting JM in an offensive scheme that gives him the “success” opportunity.

 

[WMack4Bama]

Not ideal

 

[Toddrn]

After sleeping on it, I am still mad. We were unprepared, undisciplined, and just flat out got outcoached in every phase. All the talk this offseason was just that talk. This is going to be a very long season. The most telling moment was seeing the OC in the booth looking just exasperated. Then we get the post game press conference and we actually hear the head coach say the QB has good sideline demeanor? Seriously? With the changing college football world changing for the worst, I am getting closer and closer to just checking out. I am not going to mind missing games every now and then.

There is only one person to blame for the team that Alabama fielded last night and that is Nick Saban.

 

[BamaNation]

Well, the sun came up and it's a beautiful day here in BN HQ-West. The feeling I feel is not the one I usually feel after a loss. Normally, I'm pretty mad, I relive the games in my dreams and try to figure out a way that I could have made a difference (stupid I know but that's what happens). This time I slept soundly and woke up resigned. ...

I would rather be mad and toss and turn with my strange dreams. I don't like how I feel today.

Quoting Saban (from @WMack4Bama's signature): "I didn't come to Alabama to win 10 games a year and be a contender. I came here to win championships. Conference championships and national championships. I love it here because that's just not what I want, but what this fanbase expects."
--Alabama Head Football Coach, Nick Saban

Coach you're correct. Absolutely correct. We do expect that. YOU have the opportunity also to not fail the final. But keeping on this current path of "not up to Bama standards", you'll fail the final and eventually be kicked out of the college (metaphorically speaking, of course). We can see it. We know you can, too. SO, do what's necessary to make the changes and to achieve both your and our expectations.

Remember that quote about hating losing more than enjoying winning? Yeah, we need that attitude back, too.

 

[2003TIDE]

And while I’m venting. Maybe I’m getting old, but I hate the in stadium experience now. I hate the loud artificial noise pumped over the sound system to the point I can’t hear the band even though I sit directly across from the band. I hate that the drunkass fans can double fist beers the entire game vs sobering up. It’s 2023 and we still can’t make cell phones work in the stadium. I hate the twenty 3 and a half minute TV breaks, and I hate the fact they try and give me an epileptic seizure that entire 3 and a half minutes with strobe lights.

That is all. You guys can go back to complaining about the team.

 

[rolltide_21]

One TD, sure. But if you are going to include the play at the end of the second half as a penalty taking away a TD, let’s at least be honest and acknowledge that that was a HORRIBLE throw that should have been a pick if not a pick 6. We lucked into the DB tipping it back into the EZ where our guy caught it. At least we got 3 out of it instead of a pick.

I said many many times in the game thread his throws across the grain would get picked. Fortunately those didn’t last night. It was part of the game so I’ll include it.

 

[We_are_Bama]

Fowler and/or Herbstreit will have Bama in their final 4. Even after we drop another game. And that’s just maddening to no end. I’ve already heard from friends/acquaintances how Saban is still the greatest and how the 2023 team is still one of his better squads, despite last night’s results. Oh, and Bama will win out and face Georgia in the SECCG….and Bama will win that, and “it won’t be close”. I am at a loss for words. How can anybody be SO delusional? We call auburn fans delusional…and we’ve got fans that still chest beat like it’s 2011-2012 after last night. We are simply not a good team. It’s going to be hard to make a bowl unless some things drastically improve and I mean drastically. It’s entirely possible for us to have a Shulaesque year in this, the second golden age of Bama football. We have a host of teams ahead who now have a very simple blueprint to beating us. Folks, this ain’t looking too good

 

[81usaf92]

There is only one person to blame for the team that Alabama fielded last night and that is Nick Saban.

probably the most accurate and honest assessment of the last 24 hrs. No he shouldn’t retire but I think it’s beyond obvious why players and coaches are starting to bypass Alabama. Saban is the greatest of all time but he is still human and can make some bad mistakes. Both statements can be true at the same time. At some point you have to ask why he is trying to ram a square peg through a round hole with Milroe in a system he clearly has no understanding of, why he keeps severely missing on DL recruiting, and why the best we could get as coordinators were modest to general at best upgrades than what we had.

I’ve walked down the spiral concourses of BDS through many losses, but I have never felt like this. I remember going out of 2015 ole Miss thinking “hey we can still run the table” and 2019 LSU “hey they were good but we kinda gave the game away”. Here I feel “Alabama is now like everyone else and the Saban magic doesn’t scare anyone anymore”.

Sure things can change but I’m not so sure about this year. We are who we are. However I think it’s safe to say we aren’t done losing if Milroe is truly the best we got as quarterback. Great kid and immense talent only get you so far on proving field. Yes there are far more issues than Milroe but the majority of our problems on offense stem from teams not believing Milroe is good enough to beat them in the pocket or reading their defense. If this is the hoss Saban wants to ride for better or worse then he has more than earned the right to do that.

 

[UAH]

It just seems that in the past Coach Saban could impose his level of intensity and obsession to detail on the team and staff. Now, the penalties, breakdowns, etc., continue. No one knows more about football and our team than he does, yet here we are. It is impossible that we will not be very, very good as long as we have one of the best to ever do it. Dominate the CFB landscape again? Not sure.......However, he has damn well earned the right to stay here as long as he pleases. I am nothing but grateful. RTR!

Yours is an admirable sentiment. No one can foretell the future and Idon't express my observations about CNS on here for obvious reasons. I will say respectfully that I believe that you and others will have an opportunity to change your perspective if he (CNS) decides to return next year.

 

[CB4]

Well, the sun came up and it's a beautiful day here in BN HQ-West. The feeling I feel is not the one I usually feel after a loss. Normally, I'm pretty mad, I relive the games in my dreams and try to figure out a way that I could have made a difference (stupid I know but that's what happens). This time I slept soundly and woke up resigned. ...

I would rather be mad and toss and turn with my strange dreams. I don't like how I feel today.

Quoting Saban (from @WMack4Bama's signature): "I didn't come to Alabama to win 10 games a year and be a contender. I came here to win championships. Conference championships and national championships. I love it here because that's just not what I want, but what this fanbase expects."
--Alabama Head Football Coach, Nick Saban

Coach you're correct. Absolutely correct. We do expect that. YOU have the opportunity also to not fail the final. But keeping on this current path of "not up to Bama standards", you'll fail the final and eventually be kicked out of the college (metaphorically speaking, of course). We can see it. We know you can, too. SO, do what's necessary to make the changes and to achieve both your and our expectations.

Remember that quote about hating losing more than enjoying winning? Yeah, we need that attitude back, too.

I too woke up this morning with that kind “oh well” feeling this morning.
I believe @TideEngineer08 posted something along the lines last night of “being mad after the 2021 TAMU loss, but now kind of resigned to this reality”.
I think I’m moving more and more from diehard fan with high expectations to “casual consumer/onlooker”.
And that really hurts me to say because that love of “All things Crimson Tide” has been a part of me for over 55 years.

 

[colbysullivan]

This loss just feels different than any other in the Saban era, as far as regular season losses go. We are a bad football team, top to bottom. And I mean from the VERY top down. Saban had no business keeping Milroe in the game. It is obvious he has not improved at all. Our OL did him no favors, but he bailed several times last night with a clean pocket. He threw 2 horrible INTs right to the other team.

Our defense looks exactly like when Golding was here, which can only mean it is by design with Saban’s approval. We will not win the West this year.

 

[lowend]

Quoting Saban (from @WMack4Bama's signature): "I didn't come to Alabama to win 10 games a year and be a contender. I came here to win championships. Conference championships and national championships. I love it here because that's just not what I want, but what this fanbase expects."
--Alabama Head Football Coach, Nick Saban

Coach you're correct. Absolutely correct. We do expect that. YOU have the opportunity also to not fail the final. But keeping on this current path of "not up to Bama standards", you'll fail the final and eventually be kicked out of the college (metaphorically speaking, of course). We can see it. We know you can, too. SO, do what's necessary to make the changes and to achieve both your and our expectations.

Remember that quote about hating losing more than enjoying winning? Yeah, we need that attitude back, too.

I'm normally not one to get too down on Saban, but some of his attitude - and his daughter's - toward the fanbase the last few years has me irritated. He has spent a lot of time and energy throughout his tenure conditioning us that we are a part of the TEAM, that we are integral and necessary, we should stay the whole games, etc.; but, the last few years, he's griped at us needing to be more understanding and that essentially we shouldn't hold the team to the same standard that he has held previous teams and the fans to. Coach can't have it both ways. We the fans expect what he has taught us to expect. We expect an MTAQ attitude, we expect to not look like the JV team in their first game, we expect our team to be disciplined, we expect to be tough and well conditioned, we expect our coach to make the hard decisions needed to win. Right now, our expectations aren't being met.

 

[UAH]

I too woke up this morning with that kind “oh well” feeling this morning.
I believe @TideEngineer08 posted something along the lines last night of “being mad after the 2021 TAMU loss, but now kind of resigned to this reality”.
I think I’m moving more and more from diehard fan with high expectations to “casual consumer/onlooker”.
And that really hurts me to say because that love of “All things Crimson Tide” has been a part of me for over 55 years.

Me too. I have been attempting to back away from my BAMA addiction but it keeps pulling me back. I do believe that ESPN and the huge money that has come to the sport is destroying the foundation of what we came to love over many years.

 

[UAH]

I'm normally not one to get too down on Saban, but some of his attitude - and his daughter's - toward the fanbase the last few years has me irritated. He has spent a lot of time and energy throughout his tenure conditioning us that we are a part of the TEAM, that we are integral and necessary, we should stay the whole games, etc.; but, the last few years, he's griped at us needing to be more understanding and that essentially we shouldn't hold the team to the same standard that he has held previous teams and the fans to. Coach can't have it both ways. We the fans expect what he has taught us to expect. We expect an MTAQ attitude, we expect to not look like the JV team in their first game, we expect our team to be disciplined, we expect to be tough and well conditioned, we expect our coach to make the hard decisions needed to win. Right now, our expectations aren't being met.

Excellent observations. Unfortunately I believe we will have opportunities to discuss that in more detail in the coming weeks.

 

[CrimsonEyeshade]

Let's be honest, 2020 really is an asterisk. We hate it, but so many teams couldn't play or had large numbers of player missing due to Covid protocols, etc. It is what it is, but it's not the same as 2017.

Let me ask you this - does Alabama over the last few years look like Alabama from 2009-2017?

It doesn't to me.

It doesn't to me either. But we've won multiple titles during our supposed 'decline' and played for two more. This is high-level competition. Nobody has done what we've done for the past 15 years. But nobody wins them all or stays on top forever.

 

[CrimsonEyeshade]

Agreed. This team has much more than a qb problem. We have problems across the board. Obviously, talent is not the issue. I think what we are seeing is a continuation of some things that carried over from last year, which raises other questions. The lack of discipline and ability of this Oline to push the LOS and pass-protect is mind boggling to me. Obviously, just changing coordinators did not fix the problems that we have. I think it is something more deeply embedded in the program.

Talent is part of the problem. The two lines are ineffectual. The quarterback is over his head. The runningbacks and receivers so far don't meet the standard. Multiple classes seem to have either not met their rankings OR, to your point, are not being coached up.

 

[colbysullivan]

We were gashing them up the middle with the run early on, and we abandoned it because Rees-ons?

This OL can’t pass block. Milroe can’t pass. WRs can’t get separation. So why in the world are we even trying to pass? We still had plenty of time to continue the body shots with Jase, but no, we stared running to the outside and got tackled at the LOS every time. Also I can’t be the only one that sighs when Roydell is in the game.

I can’t believe I’m saying this but this team basically just needs to do the 2013 Auburn playbook. IMO the blame is solely on the coaching staff for trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. They should have recognized the weaknesses with this team and course corrected in the spring.

 

[colbysullivan]

One more thing, our crowd was absolutely pathetic and had no impact on the game at all.

 

[CB4]

I’ll go back to what my son said last night.

“The Alabama to be feared/respected is the one where Saban is mad or frustrated. Tonight, he just seemed “it is what it is”. He needs to find that again or this very well might be it”.

 

[2003TIDE]

One more thing, our crowd was absolutely pathetic and had no impact on the game at all.

I couldn’t hear the crowd over the sound system dialed up to 11 😜