Lamar Jackson — Weaknesses as a QB

[davefrat]

I don’t care if the head of the math department is standing on your sideline, you need points in big games on the road.

Sort of like the old rule that you always make turnovers into points.

I've seen games recently where a team got a turnover and squandered a sure-fire 3 points and instead came away with nothing because of stupid decisions to go for it on 4th and whatever because the chart said so.

 

[LittleLexi]

Lamar Jackson is a phenom athlete and a certain type of qb that most talking head analyst said the Ravens "finally" had an OC that built the offense around Lamar and look how great it is working. The problem (by function) with doing that is all it takes is Lamar having a subpar day and you lose. That is why it is better to run a system and plug talent in the system and tweak here and there based on the talent. Rather than build an entire offense around one player.

The Chiefs, like the Pats are a team. The Ravens are just a bunch of good guys on the same team that care about the name on the back of the jersey.

 

[Bama Lee]

passing versus man to man, though he sure can run from it

 

[Go Bama]

I don't think I will ever understand the way that analytics have changed the NFL.

How in the world do you pass up a potential 17 point lead with 7 minutes remaining in the third quarter to go for it on 4th and 3 when you're an underdog on the road?

Instead, you turn the ball over at your opponents 30 something yard line, blow momentum, and basically kick yourself in the crotch all in one play.

And didn't he do the same thing earlier?

They gave up 6 points because of some mathematical formula.

It makes no sense to me at all.

I'm not sure it was analytics. Remember when the Lions were playing the Cowboys and got screwed on the TD play because a lineman didn't report in as eligible? Campbell still went for two after the penalty when he could have sent the game into overtime with a PAT.

Dude is a go for it kind of guy.

I agree with you it was the wrong decision.

 

[bamagradinATL]

I think it’s a different game if they

1. kick the FG in the Red Zone instead of going for it on 4th down.
2. Flowers doesn’t make a boneheaded play.

 

[JDCrimson]

Yes, he is. But he doesn't need to be the Roy McAvoy of the NFL. He put himself above the team with those decisions...

 

[64 Grad]

To me the beginning of the end was when Flowers got the taunting penalty. I was rooting for the Ravens until that play and at that point I did not care who won. Then he does not protect the ball on the one yard line and fumbles. That fumble could have cost them the game. Is karma alive and well? A Kansas City player did the exact same thing against the Bills, giving the Bills a huge break. Kansas City won anyway. Kansas City coach said he needed to protect the football in that situation. I am sure Harbaugh feels the same way.

 

[BamaMoon]

To me the beginning of the end was when Flowers got the taunting penalty. I was rooting for the Ravens until that play and at that point I did not care who won. Then he does not protect the ball on the one yard line and fumbles. That fumble could have cost them the game. Is karma alive and well? A Kansas City player did the exact same thing against the Bills, giving the Bills a huge break. Kansas City won anyway. Kansas City coach said he needed to protect the football in that situation. I am sure Harbaugh feels the same way.

One of the great pleasures of being a Bama fan is how CNS rarely had players who did these kind of stupid things. I mean, occasionally they would happen, but I don't think there was one game that I recall that we lost under CNS because of some kind of stupid, knucklehead mistake involving a player getting a post-play penalty like that.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

Lamar Jackson is a 2 time NFL MVP. Calling him a RB at QB is beyond absurd.

 

[DzynKingRTR]

Lamar Jackson is a 2 time NFL MVP. Calling him a RB at QB is beyond absurd.

MVP means nothing. It is selected by the media types. Now if the MVP was selected exclusively by the players and coaches, it would mean more to most of us.

 

[BamaMoon]

I'm not an NFL junkie. But the difference I see in PM and LJ is that both can make amazing plays with their feet, but PM is a cut you up passer from the pocket but then when he scrambles anything is possible and some of his greatest throws happen then.

LM's greatest thread is his legs.

PM's is always his arm and his legs make his arm even more dangerous.

At the end of the day, a great QB has to have arm talent too!

 

[BamaPokerplayer]

Is this really true? A lot of GREAT QBs never won a SB.

Not talking about winning a superbowl. I'm referring to winning a playoff game where the opposing team scores at least two touchdowns, a feat he has yet to accomplish.

 

[Bamaro]

Lamar is an OK passer but certainly not elite. What he lacks with his arm he can more than makeup for with his legs. The problem is with the OCs. They keep on trying to mold him into something that he isn't. Monken (from Ga) was beginning to let him do his thing this year. He surprisingly changed it for this game and forced Lamar to pass way to many times. There were only 6 (or 8) pure runs called for the entire game against a KC rush defense that was not all that good. The Ravens beat themselves with their ridiculous offensive game plan plus the stupid errors already mentioned in this thread. A pass into triple coverage in the endzone towards the end of the game, that also had blatent defensive pass interferance, didn't help any either.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

MVP means nothing. It is selected by the media types. Now if the MVP was selected exclusively by the players and coaches, it would mean more to most of us.

I mean it definitely means more than nothing. You don't win 2 MVPs simply because people like you. No awards are perfect but its not like you can have a bad season and win MVP. And he's now done it twice.

He's not a RB playing QB. It's just absurd to argue that still.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

Mahomes is arguably the GOAT at age 28. He's probably not the best one to compare any QB with side by side because he's better than all of them.

 

[BamaMoon]

Mahomes is arguably the GOAT at age 28. He's probably not the best one to compare any QB with side by side because he's better than all of them.

That may be true, but PM is also the "model" that guys who can run are trying to be more like.

But Mahomes is GREAT because of his arm first. You can add feet talent to arm talent, like he does, and do great things.

It's harder to do it the other way. It's harder to add arm talent to feet talent. It seems to me LJ is a feet talent first type QB who has improved his arm talent.

But great QBing has to always start with great arm talent OR else the playmakers around the offense are going to not be used properly. But, if a great QB has wheels, like in PM's case, it just becomes a thing of beauty.

 

[Bamaro]

Mahomes is arguably the GOAT at age 28. He's probably not the best one to compare any QB with side by side because he's better than all of them.

GOAT? He was 30/39 for 247 yards, Jackson 20/37 for 272. Not bad but a GOAT performance.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

GOAT? He was 30/39 for 247 yards, Jackson 20/37 for 272. Not bad but a GOAT performance.

I don't think that performance is why he is the GOAT. I do think he is probably the greatest ever though.

My overall point was more that Lamar can be a good or great QB without measuring up to Mahomes.

 

[DzynKingRTR]

I don't think that performance is why he is the GOAT. I do think he is probably the greatest ever though.

My overall point was more that Lamar can be a good or great QB without measuring up to Mahomes.

funny thing is some people were still doubting Mahomes. When Hill was traded there were some that thought there would be a drop in some of his stats. Then he won a super bowl without Hill and might win another. Kelce still helps, but Mahomes is great without a great receiver.
LJ is a fantastic athlete but as a QB he is lacking some skills that he needs and I doubt that changes at this point.

 

[TheRealPokeChop]

I'm not an NFL junkie. But the difference I see in PM and LJ is that both can make amazing plays with their feet, but PM is a cut you up passer from the pocket but then when he scrambles anything is possible and some of his greatest throws happen then.

LM's greatest thread is his legs.

PM's is always his arm and his legs make his arm even more dangerous.

At the end of the day, a great QB has to have arm talent too!

Lamar is an incredibly talented passer. The narmmratuve against him is bad. Baltimores deficiencies Sunday were poor game planning (they onoy had 11 run plays, they are a run first team) and their defense being completely out of whack by Andy Reid absolutely out smarting their front 7 schematicly and kelce having an unbelievable game.