Alabama QBs in 2024

[Ledsteplin]

I see the weaknesses. He made a lot of improvement during the season and then the better defensive staffs caught up to those improvements by seasons end. He was going to need to make more improvements this off-season with or without the coaching change.

I think the difference is that I still believe in his ability to improve and I can’t wait to see how he does and I hope he doesn’t read tidefans and find out a bunch of Bama fans have completely given up on him and written him off!

And The Barn and UGA put spies on him.

 

[mlh]

I just have this sneaky suspicion that either AM or DL will be QB1 in the fall. I don't think JM can run this offense and TS would have stepped up by now if he was the man.

 

[Ledsteplin]

Well, as for #2 you did sit here and tell people what they shouldn't post.
As for JM, critiquing someone is not saying he can't. It's saying based on visible real game evidence people question if he can make enough progress quickly enough to be the starter in this offense. And that's a legitimate concern, if you want to be honest about the situation.
If you go back and read my posts, I haven't said he can't. But I have said he's got a long row to hoe if he's going to do it.

Personally, I don't care who starts. I just want an honest, open qb competition and let the best equipped qb (both mentally and physically) win out.

And no offense taken on the little bit dumb comment because I have been known to on occasion....lol

But some here have flat out said he can't pick up the new offense. I think some of what I see here about Milroe are exaggerations. He did pretty good last year.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

But some here have flat out said he can't pick up the new offense. I think some of what I see here about Milroe are exaggerations. He did pretty good last year.

And you have some who (literally) think he should be "given" the first shot at starting since he started last season, so what's the point? Yeah, he did "pretty good" last season but not all flaws are created equal. A quarterback who tends to throw off his backfoot or has bad footwork isn't equal to someone who struggles with decision-making or "processing time". Both are quarterback flaws but one is more severe than the other and one has a higher chance of being corrected than the other.

As I stated in another post, the most concerning thing for me is that Saban and Rees stopped the learning process with JM with the RPO's and just went to predetermined RPO "reads", and that alone restricts the effectiveness of the offense. So knowing that, I'm starting to wonder if JM's perceived "progress" were plays and aspects of the offense he already did well and the other aspects which he didn't, they simply cut out or rarely used? IF that is what happened then how much "progress" did he actually make? I know he made progress in some areas, I watched it. But his decision making when presented with several types of defensive looks both pre-snap and post-snap seemed to never improve. It is a copy cat league so to speak and once that stuff is on film, everybody is going to do that when they play "you".

I'm rooting for the kid, I truly am. He's all "Bama" and we couldn't ask for anyone whose heart is in this program more. However, this game is ultimately about winning and putting the best players on the field. I hope to hell this staff starts with a clean slate for everybody and last year's status means absolutely nothing. That way, when the starting 22 are rolled out there in our first regular season game, it will mean those are the ones the staff believes are our best.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

I just have this sneaky suspicion that either AM or DL will be QB1 in the fall. I don't think JM can run this offense and TS would have stepped up by now if he was the man.

It’s probably worth mentioning that Ty will be a Sophomore this season.

He made some really good throws and runs last year in what limited action he was given.

It’s way too early to just give up on him.

There are probably at least 10 other SEC teams that would love to have him as their Starter.

 

[irvingtontide]

But some here have flat out said he can't pick up the new offense. I think some of what I see here about Milroe are exaggerations. He did pretty good last year.

I’m not one that has said he can’t learn the new offense. One might suggest though that milroe hasn’t learned to execute the bama offense after 3 years. To the point we had to rip stuff out the playbook and predetermine reads. Considering that 6 months doesn’t seem like a lot of time.

I’m with others I don’t think as much progress was made as people think. We just cut the playbook in half and predetermined reads. If we look at the Michigan game we still held the ball to long, missed wide open receivers, didn’t find our check downs, and a host of other issues that showed all year. We struggled on offense for the majority of the year. The last three games we struggled so how much was improved realistically.
I think the issue here is some are just looking at the results on the year 11-2 sec champs and a playoff berth. The others to use CNS words are looking at the overall standard. Milroe didn’t play up to the standard we are accustomed to. Let’s hope the new staff has the starting QB playing up to that standard come fall. If that’s milroe than I will not have any issue with it.

 

[CoolBreeze]

46 pages into this thread and countless threads preseason last year and I still cannot understand the consternation over Jalen Milroe. He's a great kid. But why some Bama fans want to lobby AD NAUSEAM for the kid over other players just baffles the heck out of me man. Who cares? We just want the best guy to play. Thank goodness we have a new coaching staff with fresh eyes on this competition in the Spring and let the best guy(s) win. But we can all agree that we love Jalen Miroe win or lose, right? Well you should because the kid is all about the Crimson Tide and that sure means a lot to me.

 

[dvldog]

To be frank I saw almost zero improvement in JM last year in that the things he couldn't do at the first of the year he still couldn’t do at the end of the year. Further I don’t think he throws a good deep ball either. Strong arm no doubt but too much inconsistency. We lived all year on his big play ability. When they were produced we had a chance. If not we struggled. He was the focal point of the offense IMO to the detriment of team productivity. Not meant as a reflection on his leadership character intelligence or athleticism. Purely the observations of a TideFan.

 

[BamaSully]

Agree CoolBreeze

 

[CrimsonTitles]

But some here have flat out said he can't pick up the new offense. I think some of what I see here about Milroe are exaggerations. He did pretty good last year.

I just don't understand how anyone can look at last season and say he did pretty good. He did okay, but that was likely the worst QB play we had in the Saban era. Would some teams be happy with his play? Absolutely, but we're Alabama. The standard is higher here.

 

[Bamamonts]

It’s probably worth mentioning that Ty will be a Sophomore this season.

He made some really good throws and runs last year in what limited action he was given.

It’s way too early to just give up on him.

There are probably at least 10 other SEC teams that would love to have him as their Starter.

I'm looking forward to seeing how much he progresses this offseason. He has the potential to be a great QB. I think he could surprise some people this season.

 

[Coach25]

46 pages into this thread and countless threads preseason last year and I still cannot understand the consternation over Jalen Milroe. He's a great kid. But why some Bama fans want to lobby AD NAUSEAM for the kid over other players just baffles the heck out of me man. Who cares? We just want the best guy to play. Thank goodness we have a new coaching staff with fresh eyes on this competition in the Spring and let the best guy(s) win. But we can all agree that we love Jalen Miroe win or lose, right? Well you should because the kid is all about the Crimson Tide and that sure means a lot to me.

It Was the same over Hurts vs Barnett… had some who were on one side or the other. I thought watching both throw in practice like situations that Barnett was the better pocket qb. I knew Hurts was the much better athlete. I saw Hurts struggle with some passes and thought he had to improve a lot to be a pocket passer which he did. I wasn’t against Hurts or for Barnett, I was for the who gave us the best chance to win. If Milroe is the qb he will have my full support, if he is not the qb he will still have my full support. He is a leader like Hurts was in so many ways. My support will be the same with any other player at any other position (who chose to stay at Alabama and not transfer portal it out). I think the qb position is just more polarizing and have to have the right qb, in the right system, with the right OC for the offense to click and run smoothly. At times we were last year but at times we weren’t very consistent offensively.

 

[Tidelines]

I read an interview with Ryan Williams talking about looking forward to hooking up with Austin Mack on some touchdowns. Maybe he is think8ng long term, don't know. I found the comment interesting though.

 

[Coach25]

I just don't understand how anyone can look at last season and say he did pretty good. He did okay, but that was likely the worst QB play we had in the Saban era. Would some teams be happy with his play? Absolutely, but we're Alabama. The standard is higher here.

No offense, but I couldn’t disagree more with this part “I just don't understand how anyone can look at last season and say he did pretty good.”

He struggled some but he was the reason we beat LSU and made it to Atlanta. We saw what we had behind him. But there are so many factors that go in to a qb’s performance.

Player development, player ability, players flaws, footwork, understanding playbook, pocket presence, pre snap reads, blitz recognition, timing routes, OC play calls, OC offensive scheme matching what the qb does best, line protection, wr quality, wr abilities, route running abilities, drops, etc.

He lead us to victories over every team except the National Champions and the number 3 team in the country, won a SEC Championship, put the team on his back against LSU, had the last second dagger to Auburn, and had us in position to beat Michigan.

I’m not trying to argue I’m just saying not bad for your first year starting as qb at a program with the most pressure in the whole country.

 

[CoolBreeze]

It Was the same over Hurts vs Barnett… had some who were on one side or the other. I thought watching both throw in practice like situations that Barnett was the better pocket qb. I knew Hurts was the much better athlete. I saw Hurts struggle with some passes and thought he had to improve a lot to be a pocket passer which he did. I wasn’t against Hurts or for Barnett, I was for the who gave us the best chance to win. If Milroe is the qb he will have my full support, if he is not the qb he will still have my full support. He is a leader like Hurts was in so many ways. My support will be the same with any other player at any other position (who chose to stay at Alabama and not transfer portal it out). I think the qb position is just more polarizing and have to have the right qb, in the right system, with the right OC for the offense to click and run smoothly. At times we were last year but at times we weren’t very consistent offensively.

I dig. It just chaps my hide that we have posters that would disparage players and other posters just to make the point about who they want as QB. I mean, this is a Bama board. We should pull for all of our players to succeed. You can make you point without being so radicalized about it. Maybe it is the temperature that our society finds itself in today with all the media brainwashing and decisive cultural identity garbage but somewhere we need to find civility and know we all love these players and pray for their success regardless of who gets the starting job.

 

[Coach25]

I dig. It just chaps my hide that we have posters that would disparage players and other posters just to make the point about who they want as QB. I mean, this is a Bama board. We should pull for all of our players to succeed. You can make you point without being so radicalized about it. Maybe it is the temperature that our society finds itself in today with all the media brainwashing and decisive cultural identity garbage but somewhere we need to find civility and know we all love these players and pray for their success regardless of who gets the starting job.

I agree 100% yea it’s like society makes you pick sides on almost everything and if you don’t pick the side they want you to pick you are a this or you are a that. Yep common courtesy while having discussion. It’s just common sense and courtesy isn’t so common anymore.

 

[BamaInCummingGA]

No offense, but I couldn’t disagree more with this part “I just don't understand how anyone can look at last season and say he did pretty good.”

He struggled some but he was the reason we beat LSU and made it to Atlanta. We saw what we had behind him. But there are so many factors that go in to a qb’s performance.

Player development, player ability, players flaws, footwork, understanding playbook, pocket presence, pre snap reads, blitz recognition, timing routes, OC play calls, OC offensive scheme matching what the qb does best, line protection, wr quality, wr abilities, route running abilities, drops, etc.

He lead us to victories over every team except the National Champions and the number 3 team in the country, won a SEC Championship, put the team on his back against LSU, had the last second dagger to Auburn, and had us in position to beat Michigan.

I’m not trying to argue I’m just saying not bad for your first year starting as qb at a program with the most pressure in the whole country.

I think the biggest parts of the problem are not his athletic abilities. He's a gifted athlete and from all appearances he is a good person and team mate.
What people are most are concerned with when it comes to JM is his seeming lack of ability to read the defense pre-snap and post-snap, make quick decisions and make quick throws to the flat, slants and over the middle as well as not being able to consistently "throw receivers open".

 

[Coach25]

I think the biggest parts of the problem are not his athletic abilities. He's a gifted athlete and from all appearances he is a good person and team mate.
What people are most are concerned with when it comes to JM is his seeming lack of ability to read the defense pre-snap and post-snap, make quick decisions and make quick throws to the flat, slants and over the middle as well as not being able to consistently "throw receivers open".

Oh I agree presnap reads, pocket presence, and footwork should be his focus in offseason. I think he will have to battle to win the starting job. But being a coach I don’t understand why didn’t Rees didn’t call based on his strengths and not his weaknesses. After our by week I thought he had changed his play calling but against Michigan it went back to the begging of the season type calls. Move the pocket, zone read play actions to keep blitzes honest and having to make sure he isn’t handing off or running it, have quick check downs if he feels anything, Throw some screens, bring in max protection if you plan on going deep. That’s what makes Lane one of the best. He adjusts his offense to his players strengths and tries to masks the weaknesses.

 

[TiderJack]

I think some think he was not Bryce or Tua throwing the ball so he was not good. He was #5 in passing efficiency and #23 in completion percentage nationally.

Some said he did not improve throughout the season but he did (the Kentucky game was one of his best). He had an average game at Auburn but so did Bryce and we were one play away from beating Michigan and winning the NC while being hounded on the pass rush. Would some be saying this if we did win it all?

The competition will be good and may the best man win but if Jalen does we will be good.

 

[CrimsonTitles]

No offense, but I couldn’t disagree more with this part “I just don't understand how anyone can look at last season and say he did pretty good.”

He struggled some but he was the reason we beat LSU and made it to Atlanta. We saw what we had behind him. But there are so many factors that go in to a qb’s performance.

Player development, player ability, players flaws, footwork, understanding playbook, pocket presence, pre snap reads, blitz recognition, timing routes, OC play calls, OC offensive scheme matching what the qb does best, line protection, wr quality, wr abilities, route running abilities, drops, etc.

He lead us to victories over every team except the National Champions and the number 3 team in the country, won a SEC Championship, put the team on his back against LSU, had the last second dagger to Auburn, and had us in position to beat Michigan.

I’m not trying to argue I’m just saying not bad for your first year starting as qb at a program with the most pressure in the whole country.

It's all good. Opposing viewpoints are always welcome. We're just having a discussion. It's the off-season, so there's really nothing better to do.

To be clear, I don't think he was bad. I just think that If we are going to say that he was "pretty good", then that means we would be satisfied with the same level of QB play next year. I can't speak for anyone else, but I for one, wouldn't be satisfied with that level of play again.

He did have the game against LSU, but lots of QBs lit up LSU. The 4th and goal at the 31 play was a great play. He definitely had his moments, but when we measure his performance against the best 3 defenses we faced (Georgia, Michigan, Texas), there is a lot to be desired. We beat Georgia, but he didn't have the best game. He did make a few plays in that game when it mattered, but at the end of the day when you look at the entire season, he played his best against the mediocre defenses, and left a lot to be desired when we played against the best defenses. That's fine, if you're Auburn or Arkansas, but we're Alabama. The goal is to win a National Championship. If last season is all we have to go by, then I don't feel confident in our chances with him at the helm. That's not to say he can't. He just hasn't shown he can play at that level yet.