Poll: Donald Trump hush money case - what will the verdict be?

Predict the verdict - Trump hush money trial


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TIDE-HSV

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It's common, although I don't remember a judge instructing so, but I'm not a trial lawyer. Here, let's say there's a 1st degree murder charge. Lesser included offenses would be murder II and voluntary manslaughter. Frequently, there may be a majority favoring a murder I conviction, but, against determined resistance will cave to murder II, just to get out of the jury room.
To answer the question, I think there will be some convictions on lesser charges, but a hung jury on one or more major ones.

Reasoning is purely mathematical. It takes only one holdout among 12 jurors. Say only 10% of the jury pool are Trump supporters. So 90% aren't. The problem is that 90% to the 12th power is about 28%. Which means that there's a 72% chance of having a potential holdout.

Personally, I think he did what he's accused of doing. But it's not illegal to pay hush money. The illegality comes in the mis-representation of campaign finances -- by about $130K or so.

Here's a link to Open Secrets, a website that claims to present total campaign expenditures in 2020. It says that Trump spent about $1.1B and Biden roughly $1.6B. I don't know if it's accurate or not, but it's the best I could do on short notice, and for me at least, passes the smell test.

Summary data for Donald Trump, 2020 cycle • OpenSecrets

$130K is a hair over one one-hundredth of one percent (i.e., just over one ten-thousandth) of Trump's $1.1 Billion total spend.

I don't think any presidential campaign of any major party has 100% accurate disclosures. At the 10-figure level, with all the sources of revenue and destinations of that cash, it's simply impossible no matter how pure the intent.

Do we really want Billion-dollar financial disclosures examined at the 0.01% level of materiality, with criminal charges waiting for someone at the end of the audit?

Donald Trump is a horrible human being on so many levels. I do not support him and have not since he showed his true colors in 2017. I hope Earle is right on the conviction.

My criticism is that, of all his many illegal deeds, they chose this one to prosecute?
Here's the problem with that reasoning. Trump doesn't have the support of 10% of the lawyers in NYC, probably not even 1% or 2%. There are two lawyers on this jury, which would never happen here. From what I've learned, the lawyers on juries tend to be the leaders, explaining the judge's instructions, etc. It's true that you may still get one wrong-headed Trumper who would hold out against all reason, but I don't think the the likelihood is nearly so great as what you've computed...
 

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I get that a lot of folks, even Republicans, don't like Trump. I don't like him either!

But this has always been a witch hunt by the Democrats.
That depends on how you define "witch hunt." If you mean he was selected out for prosecution because of who he is, I'd point out that this crime is prosecuted thousands of times a year in NYC. If you mean that the PTB were determined that Trump at last face justice, after having gotten away with murder for years, then, yes, I could agree on that basis...
 

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That depends on how you define "witch hunt." If you mean he was selected out for prosecution because of who he is, I'd point out that this crime is prosecuted thousands of times a year in NYC. If you mean that the PTB were determined that Trump at last face justice, after having gotten away with murder for years, then, yes, I could agree on that basis...
Would this prosecution have taken place if Trump wasn't running for president (let alone being the expected Republican nominee with arguably a real chance at beating Biden)?

This is the question I think we should be asking, no?

And I'll also add I wonder how much of that question is going to impact the way some jurors might be thinking in their deliberations.
 
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That depends on how you define "witch hunt." If you mean he was selected out for prosecution because of who he is, I'd point out that this crime is prosecuted thousands of times a year in NYC. If you mean that the PTB were determined that Trump at last face justice, after having gotten away with murder for years, then, yes, I could agree on that basis...
I thought he was on trial for campaign financing violations.
 

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Would this prosecution have taken place if Trump wasn't running for president (let alone being the expected Republican nominee with arguably a real chance at beating Biden)?

This is the question I think we should be asking, no?

And I'll also add I wonder how much of that question is going to impact the way some jurors might be thinking in their deliberations.
Rachel Maddow basically admitted as much some time back. I'm sure her producer would have kicked her under the table if he or she could have reached. Truth is, this is election interference and everybody knows it. The left will justify it and the right will fly into a rage while pretending they wouldn't be doing the exact same thing if they could. It's all about that "convicted felon" label they need going into November. They could care less if the appeals court overturns the verdict; it's all about that election baby!

I'm still not sold on the idea that this is going to work, though. Watching the Dems this year has been like watching a Wile E. Coyote cartoon. Every stunt they've pulled has blown up in their faces as Trumps polling continues to go up every time it happens. At some point, it has to plateau.....I think. I'm far less interested in the verdict as I am the reaction to it.
 
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Who's "they?"

I don't believe everything DT says.
They believe you do and really, isn't that what really matters?

Keeping everything binary is the easiest way to avoid that whole 'critical thinking' thing that has lost so much popularity in this country. It's lazy and dishonest.
 
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"nobody knows"

i thought the statue of limitations has long since passed on this. you have a 2 year limit to bring charges.
 

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