Alabama QBs in 2024, II

[B1GTide]

I think that Milroe is you starter unless the wheels come off. Pulling for him.

 

[HighlandOak]

I think we're going to see a HEAVY dose of our running game the first part of the season. From what I'm reading and hearing our OL and running backs will be the strength of the offense, at least to begin with. If we can run the ball and run it well, we're in business.

True, but we won't be able to run when defenses start stacking the box against Milroe.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

True, but we won't be able to run when defenses start stacking the box against Milroe.

If they stack the box then it should put fewer defenders in the flats and down the field so passing lanes should be a lot easier to see. Milroe's problem was when teams showed one thing pre-snap but backed out of it at the snap and did something else. But just simply stacking the box to stop the run isn't what gives Milroe problems. That just opens up passing lanes for him.

 

[CoolBreeze]

This is going to be a fun, speculation-filled thread until kickoff since we have a brand new coaching staff and absolutely no way of knowing how they will attack defenses and with what personnel. But I guess speculation is all we got so...

 

[Tidewater]

someone just had to bring the thread up before august.

I guess we could debate orange Bama hats for the next nine days.

 

[mlh]

I think it's fluid.

If JM can't show a real command of the offense and make the plays in games 1-3, I sure hope we aren't entering the Georgia game starting him.

If he hasn't improved significantly and shown so in the first couple of games I hope TS is getting significant minutes!

I don't think the competition will be tough enough in the first 3 games to give us a true picture of how much JM or TS have progressed. But UGA will expose any weaknesses. Whoever finishes that game will likely be the starter the rest of the way.

 

[davefrat]

I think that Milroe is you starter unless the wheels come off. Pulling for him.

Seems like DeBoer has a penchant for adjusting his scheme to fit players, so I'm hopeful he can do that with Milroe.

Cautiously optimistic is how I view this thing.

 

[davefrat]

If they stack the box then it should put fewer defenders in the flats and down the field so passing lanes should be a lot easier to see. Milroe's problem was when teams showed one thing pre-snap but backed out of it at the snap and did something else. But just simply stacking the box to stop the run isn't what gives Milroe problems. That just opens up passing lanes for him.

And with the speed we have in the WR group and the deep ball seemingly Milroe's best pass, that could be a real problem for opposing defenses.

Seems the best way to defend Milroe is to confuse him with disguises.

 

[AlexanderFan]

And with the speed we have in the WR group and the deep ball seemingly Milroe's best pass, that could be a real problem for opposing defenses.

Seems the best way to defend Milroe is to confuse him with disguises.

It’s pressure, from somewhere. It slows down his first read and gets everything out of sync.

If it’s picked up he can throw deep like he likes. If it’s not he doesn’t recognize where to go most times and ends up dancing in the backfield.

 

[davefrat]

It’s pressure, from somewhere. It slows down his first read and gets everything out of sync.

If it’s picked up he can throw deep like he likes. If it’s not he doesn’t recognize where to go most times and ends up dancing in the backfield.

He certainly seems to lose it when he's pressured...hopefully some combination of improved o-line play and improved reads on his part fix that problem.

He has his foibles to be sure, but if those things can be corrected he could be an absolute nightmare for opposing defenses.

 

[gtgilbert]

If they stack the box then it should put fewer defenders in the flats and down the field so passing lanes should be a lot easier to see. Milroe's problem was when teams showed one thing pre-snap but backed out of it at the snap and did something else. But just simply stacking the box to stop the run isn't what gives Milroe problems. That just opens up passing lanes for him.

Actually, opponents last year figured out how to both stack the box and protect the deep pass. Capable defenses did it most of the year. All they had to do was have the nickel and one S play closer to or in the box, and then have the CBs play just a hair deeper (like a step or two) than normal and bail into deep thirds. JM never developed the timing to hit the short routes that were left wide open so the D had ample time to adjust to those deeper routes and match the low S, nickel and backers where they needed to be.

And with the speed we have in the WR group and the deep ball seemingly Milroe's best pass, that could be a real problem for opposing defenses.

Seems the best way to defend Milroe is to confuse him with disguises.

We had the exact scenario last year, but it didn't really work out due to the adjustments I listed above.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Actually, opponents last year figured out how to both stack the box and protect the deep pass. Capable defenses did it most of the year. All they had to do was have the nickel and one S play closer to or in the box, and then have the CBs play just a hair deeper (like a step or two) than normal and bail into deep thirds. JM never developed the timing to hit the short routes that were left wide open so the D had ample time to adjust to those deeper routes and match the low S, nickel and backers where they needed to be.



We had the exact scenario last year, but it didn't really work out due to the adjustments I listed above.

I'm guessing CKD is a better offensive mind than Tommy Rees, and I take NOTHING away from CTR. I think he did a great job at reinventing the offense. But I just think CKD is much, much further along than CTR with regard to adjusting to what defenses are doing.

 

[gtgilbert]

I also watched Milroe a lot last year. Fun is not the word that pops in to my mind. It was another F word. Let’s see… Frustration. Ya that’s it.

Frustrating was the exact word I was looking for. The 23 season was the first year in forever that I didn't really care if I was watching games live or on DVR because it was so frustrating to watch.

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

And with the speed we have in the WR group and the deep ball seemingly Milroe's best pass, that could be a real problem for opposing defenses.

Seems the best way to defend Milroe is to confuse him with disguises.

You mean like this...? 🥸

 

[Ledsteplin]

I think we're going to see a HEAVY dose of our running game the first part of the season. From what I'm reading and hearing our OL and running backs will be the strength of the offense, at least to begin with. If we can run the ball and run it well, we're in business.

Yes, save a lot of the pass plays for Wisky and UGA.

 

[Ledsteplin]

I think JM will be the starter coming out of fall camp. However, the UGA game will determine who is the starter for the remainder of the season.

It's likely none of the quarterbacks would look good against Georgia.

 

[Ledsteplin]

I think that Milroe is you starter unless the wheels come off. Pulling for him.

Me too. He definitely should do better than last year. And after South Florida, he took Bama to a win over Georgia and into the playoff. So, better this year means a good year.

 

[gtgilbert]

I'm guessing CKD is a better offensive mind than Tommy Rees, and I take NOTHING away from CTR. I think he did a great job at reinventing the offense. But I just think CKD is much, much further along than CTR with regard to adjusting to what defenses are doing.

I do think CKD is better than CTR, but in these instances it didn't matter. CTR was making the right calls and the adjustments needed. The short routes were there, and we had guys running the right routes to exploit what the D was doing. JM just didn't have the timing or vision or something. My guess is it's timing, for two reasons: 1) JM was consistently late delivering passes, even in skeleton drills with no coverage and as we all heard saban say 100 times, if you can't do it at game speed in practice you won't be able to suddenly do it at game speed in a game and 2) it was very, very common to see JM looking in the direction a route should be open, but either looking late, or pumping the ball in that direction, but not pulling the trigger as the window for that route had already closed or he didn't trust himself. So the real question will be can CKD get JM to actually execute the concepts that will be open.

 

[BamaInCummingGA]

I don't care who the qb ends up being. What I care is that the staff pulls the plug if the initial qb1 shows he just can't handle it. Let's not play the games this season.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

Seems like DeBoer has a penchant for adjusting his scheme to fit players, so I'm hopeful he can do that with Milroe.

Cautiously optimistic is how I view this thing.

Yes but this still feels to me like forcing a square peg in a round hole.

Hopefully he’s great with a lathe and can create a smooth fit.