What's the current conservative test for male vs female? Is it genitalia or chromosomes? Since this athlete apparently has female genitalia, which bathroom will she be allowed to use?
Biological Males competing in Women's sporting events
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HGH, Human Growth Hormone which can make you taller than peers has been banned by the IOC since 1989. That should tell you something
again, you say this as if you know it to be true you absolutely do not. But hey why should we let facts confuse your feelings
“It’s not the modern-day Olympics. It’s the modern-day Gladiator,” says fitness expert Jillian Michaels about a competition that will allow athletes to use certain performance-enhancing drugs under strict supervision. Michaels tells “Dan Abrams Live” she always worries about the health of athletes and is not a fan.
Well, she wasn't banned for taking testosterone, either.
Travis Akers (not a nationally known guy, but I thought this was well-written):
Christians, you are losing your witness and your credibility as a Jesus follower if you have spread or are continuing to spread misinformation and outrage about Algerian boxer Imane Khalif. I’ve seen your posts, and sadly, even from my own church members and friends.
Imane Khalif is a biological woman. She was born female. Her birth marker states female. She naturally has female genitalia. She has never identified as a man. Khalif has a genetic disorder, possessing XY chromosomes, but she is not transgender. It is in fact illegal to be transgender in Algeria and they would not have sent a transgender person to compete in the Olympics. She is a she and has always been a she.
This does not even give her a competitive edge. In fact, her international competition record was 8-5, meaning five other women have defeated her in the ring. Her Italian competitor, Angela Carini, made it clear during her press conference that she did not quit because she believed Khalif was a transgender woman, but because she was not prepared for that fight and realized it after being hit in the face. She further stated that she would embrace Khalif when she sees her again and feels very badly that outrage is being wrongly directed towards her.
My friends, when will we stop reacting to memes and posts from political influencers and online “news sources” without even taking a moment to verify their accuracy. Are we so distanced in our walk with Jesus that we can no longer see the model and example for life He is displaying for us?
When you made your post condemning Khalif, did you first personally verify the accuracy, or more importantly, take pause and ask, if Jesus were sitting beside me in this moment would He approve of what I am about to share for the world to see?
Where is our witness? Where is our love? If you want to know why church pews are emptying, look no further than inward.
kind of cute that he thinks they care about actual Jesus (and yes even I do believe he existed) they don't. They love Republican Jesus. Republican Jesus is fine with the attacks on Imane
What if I told you some female xy-ers have androgen insensitivity syndrome...
They have a Y chromosome; that's all that matters. PWNED, libtard!
I treated that way above. Jamie Leigh Curtis is probably the most prominent example...
moral panic is pretty much all they have. it’s been that way for quite a while
Feel free to disagree of some things stated, but what is not in dispute is that the boxer in question is and has always been a woman and we have no idea what test was supposedly done that disqualified her from a different competition and what has been spread online has no evidence to support it.
Logan Paul Admits to ‘Spreading Misinformation’ After Making Controversial Remarks About Olympic Boxer Imane Khelif
Paul admitted to 'spreading misinformation' on social media after calling Algerian boxer Imane Khelif a man.
variety.com
Logan Paul Admits to ‘Spreading Misinformation’ After Making Controversial Remarks About Olympic Boxer Imane Khelif
Still more of an admission of wrong than we'll get from anyone here.
Trumps still going with it in his “grandpa got into the cooking sherry again” manner.
being compared unfavorably to this guy has got to stingLogan Paul Admits to ‘Spreading Misinformation’ After Making Controversial Remarks About Olympic Boxer Imane Khelif
Paul admitted to 'spreading misinformation' on social media after calling Algerian boxer Imane Khelif a man.
Logan Paul Admits to ‘Spreading Misinformation’ After Making Controversial Remarks About Olympic Boxer Imane Khelif
Still more of an admission of wrong than we'll get from anyone here.
One day I hope we understand that gender and sex are not binary, and they never have, nor will ever be binary. What is binary is what you as a person accepts as male or female. What is not binary is the genetic variations of people and how they develop to show or not show male or female traits.
The "sex chromosomes" aren't just where sex characteristics are held, but they are typically associated with sex. There's a lot more in that gene set than just your genitals. As scientists know well, there are YY males and XX males, XY females. Then there are a host of rare genetic conditions like:
...the genetic signature for a person with 46 chromosomes is either 46,XY (males), or 46,XX (females).
Any variation from these typical numbers is referred to scientifically as an “aneuploidy.” If there is one additional X or Y, it is known as a “trisomy” (“tri” denoting the number 3). Genetic conditions that reflect a trisomy include:
Trisomies are the most common X and Y aneuploid conditions. Less common are “tetrasomies,” which denote the presence of four sex chromosomes:
Still rarer are the “pentasomies,” indicating five sex chromosomes:
genetic.org
How all this turn out in for Olympians, I can't say, but there are a lot of rare genetic athletes in the Olympics, both on the sex chromosomes side and everywhere else that gives them an edge. Where do we think the term "genetic freak" that is associated with physical excellence comes from anyway?
The "sex chromosomes" aren't just where sex characteristics are held, but they are typically associated with sex. There's a lot more in that gene set than just your genitals. As scientists know well, there are YY males and XX males, XY females. Then there are a host of rare genetic conditions like:
...the genetic signature for a person with 46 chromosomes is either 46,XY (males), or 46,XX (females).
Any variation from these typical numbers is referred to scientifically as an “aneuploidy.” If there is one additional X or Y, it is known as a “trisomy” (“tri” denoting the number 3). Genetic conditions that reflect a trisomy include:
Trisomies are the most common X and Y aneuploid conditions. Less common are “tetrasomies,” which denote the presence of four sex chromosomes:
Still rarer are the “pentasomies,” indicating five sex chromosomes:
Variations - The Association for X and Y Chromosome Variations
About X and Y Variations X and Y Variations, also known medically as Sex Chromosome Aneuploidy (SCA), involve variations in the typical number and type of sex chromosomes. The typical number of chromosomes in each human cell is 46. These include 22 pairs of “autosomes” (which refers to
genetic.org
How all this turn out in for Olympians, I can't say, but there are a lot of rare genetic athletes in the Olympics, both on the sex chromosomes side and everywhere else that gives them an edge. Where do we think the term "genetic freak" that is associated with physical excellence comes from anyway?
That is very well written and very true. I won't go into my dialogue because he's said it about as good or better than I can. I just wanted to state it was very well thought out and written.
Olympic Boxer Imane Khelif Is Neither Trans Nor Male
A short fight between Algerian boxer Imane Khelif and Italian boxer Angela Carini lead to a long and sustained bout of misinformation.
www.snopes.com
Good information here, not all of which I was aware of (because I don't follow women's boxing).
don't worry, none of them do eitherOlympic Boxer Imane Khelif Is Neither Trans Nor Male
A short fight between Algerian boxer Imane Khelif and Italian boxer Angela Carini lead to a long and sustained bout of misinformation.
Good information here, not all of which I was aware of (because I don't follow women's boxing).
It is like that in the general population aka recreational sports as well, whether people like it or not. A prime example was last night at one of my son's karate lessons. They grapple during their Tuesday lessons and he gets stuck with one of the girls and for almost a full hour it was a complete waste of his time, my time, and my money. He got NOTHING out of that session because she couldn't compete with him or give him any form of competition. But lord forbid you say anything because you're looked at like a misogynist.
Unfortunately, if he gets stuck with her again I am going to say something because I pay for him to get better at the discipline, not sit there for an hour and get nothing out of it because no one has the rocks to say the girl doesn't belong in that class. I've had to be the jackass before, so I may have to be one again.
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