Bama Game Thread: Official Postgame Thread - Bama @ Vandy...

[crimsonaudio]

I thought we’d be fired up for the South Florida rematch, these players ain’t got it in them

I mean, it was a joke...

 

[Tide&True]

This team is not winning a national championship. If I am wrong, I will have the moderators change my screen name to IwaswrongRTR.

I agree. My point is not that they will even sniff a National Championship this year…it was said in hyperbole…This Vandy loss would supersede that achievement.

 

[RammerJammer14]

I mean, it was a joke...

There is no joking in football!

 

[tusks_n_raider]

Other teams losing does not make me feel any better about Alabama losing to Vandy. I will never understand that line of thinking.

Don't get me wrong, I want UM, TN and AU to lose every game they play. But that loss took the joy out of college football for me, even with my Bucks winning convincingly. I know it will return, but it hasn't yet.

I went to bed immediately after the game.

Straight turned the TV off when the clock hit 0:00

I don't care one single bit about who else lost.

We've got MAJOR issues on Defense..... That is my only concern.

 

[RTR2u]

If CNS is a consultant with a half million a year in salary then it might just need to be put to good use.

 

[spidermayin]

I wasn't able to watch the game because I was at a wedding on Saturday, so I just watched the highlights on youtube. The vandy qb made some johnny manziel like plays. Our offense is going in the right direction, but our defense appears to be going backwards. Vandy had a perfect offensive performance. If we would have matched their perfect offensive performance, we would have actually won the game. But, the defense has to help out by stopping the other team. Vandy had zero 3 and outs.

Losing to Vandy was definitely not on my potential losses, but it happened. Now, we just need to respond and get better.

 

[Slowpoke Catracho]

This team is not winning a national championship. If I am wrong, I will have the moderators change my screen name to IwaswrongRTR.

I’m gonna send this to the Defense so it gives them a purpose!

 

[bvandegraff]

I listened to most of the game on the radio and had to follow the 4th quarter on game tracker during a gig. Did Jaheim Oatis play at all? KW hasn't used him much this season - figured this particular game could've used his services if he's healthy.

I hope the film study sessions are harsh and intense, and that the defensive coaches are open to replacing the most underperforming players from yesterday to send a message about expectations.

And tackling drills.........lots and lots of tackling drills.

 

[B1GTide]

I am pulling for this screen name man. Lol

He is, too.

 

[imauafan]

I listened to most of the game on the radio and had to follow the 4th quarter on game tracker during a gig. Did Jaheim Oatis play at all? KW hasn't used him much this season - figured this particular game could've used his services if he's healthy.

I have wondered where Oatis is because I never hear his name called. I have no idea if he is injuried, in the dog house, or what the situation is because he looked like he could develop into an outstanding Dlineman his freshman year. From my perspective our Dline is not very good. I think there is some talent there but no one is elite or at least no one plays at an elite level. I don't know if we have a bunch of recruiting misevaluations or if it's a development issue or a combination of the two. The key to having an elite defense is having an elite Dline.

 

[Cruloc]

I went to bed immediately after the game.

Straight turned the TV off when the clock hit 0:00

I don't care one single bit about who else lost.

We've got MAJOR issues on Defense..... That is my only concern.

I was apathetic about football yesterday. I think we've got way more problems than just defense. That D though, fundamentally flawed from Wommack all the way down to the lowest man on the depth chart.

I'd rather not hear any of them talk, this week or for the remainder of the season. Coaches or players. Don't be talking about a game other than what's upcoming. Focus and grind is all I want....that's what I expect from Alabama. Focus and grind.

Feels like we have anything but that.

If they come out vs South Carolina and have that poor attitude again or yapping while we're down by 3 TD's or Wommack doesn't make some sort of adjustment midgame or DeBoer comes out in an t-shirt that's a size too small again......I think I'll just turn the TV off.

 

[Tidewater]

If they come out vs South Carolina and have that poor attitude again or yapping while we're down by 3 TD's or Wommack doesn't make some sort of adjustment midgame or DeBoer comes out in an t-shirt that's a size too small again......I think I'll just turn the TV off.

I do not know if the players realize how pathetic it is dancing around a football when you are losing to Vandy. It would be much cooler to toss the ball to an official, and maintain a grim face that says, "Okay, that is one score. Now let's get a stop and put another on on the board." So much better than doing a little girl dance around a football when you are losing. To Vandy.

 

[gtgilbert]

Then why the heck is Kirby still employed at Jawja???

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cause it's UGA, not 'Bama.

 

[gtgilbert]

It hit the receiver in the Facemask area and was batted up. How can that be a "clean" INT?

The ball was late, which is why the DB was there to interfere and the ball wasn't caught. It's Vandy. most SEC teams have CBs who are better. A better CB is probably a step closer and doesn't just interfere with the pass, but steps in front of it. Again, it wasn't a horrible throw, just not a good throw due to the timing.

 

[gtgilbert]

Love gt, but he is very biased against Milroe.

Well, Milroe has made some huge strides this year and even in this game where the results don't show it, was significantly better than just about any game last year. That said, IMHO, one of the most important things a QB has to have is the right timing for the game/play b/c if they are off schedule or not in sync with the timing required for the play, then nothing else works. That has, historically, been JM's biggest area he needed to improve. It's the primary reason he was pretty good at the longer stuff, but deficient in the short game as it requires timing more, and the windows to get the passes into are there for shorter amounts of time, and the WRs don't have the ability to adjust as easily since the ball isn't in the air as long so accuracy AND precision (they are different) matter more. It really is an order of magnitude better the last two games, but there's still times where it's not quite there and it surfaces in the throws that are slightly behind like we started to see in the second qtr against UGA, or half a count late like this one against Vandy.

On this pass in particular, both #5 and #2 were running stop routes to predetermined depths. For these to really work, the ball should be thrown well before the WR stops. It has to get there right when the WR turns around - there should literally be no wait time at all for the WR after the turn. If you don't do this, the DB has time to close the gap on the pass.

When #2 crossed the 35 he has close to a 5 yard cushion from the DB (#5 had the same thing basically). For this route - that's considered WIDE OPEN. He decelerates starting at the 37, and the DB stops backpedaling and holds ground at the 40. At this point, the ball should be on the way. Realistically, it should already be in #5s hands at this point since he was running the same concept - although his open window was a bit smaller so understand why JM didn't make that throw - the DB just didn't give as much cushion. #2 sticks his foot into the turf on the 38 and completes his turn to the inside and the DB starts to close the gap. The ball should be there NOW, but this is actually when JM throws. If the ball is on time, the DB has no shot at anything other than making a tackle. However the ball is late, so the Vandy DB has time to close the gap and break up the pass. A DB who is only slightly quicker, probably cuts inside that pass...

 

[B1GTide]

Well, Milroe has made some huge strides this year and even in this game where the results don't show it, was significantly better than just about any game last year. That said, IMHO, one of the most important things a QB has to have is the right timing for the game/play b/c if they are off schedule or not in sync with the timing required for the play, then nothing else works. That has, historically, been JM's biggest area he needed to improve. It's the primary reason he was pretty good at the longer stuff, but deficient in the short game as it requires timing more, and the windows to get the passes into are there for shorter amounts of time, and the WRs don't have the ability to adjust as easily since the ball isn't in the air as long so accuracy AND precision (they are different) matter more. It really is an order of magnitude better the last two games, but there's still times where it's not quite there and it surfaces in the throws that are slightly behind like we started to see in the second qtr against UGA, or half a count late like this one against Vandy.

On this pass in particular, both #5 and #2 were running stop routes to predetermined depths. For these to really work, the ball should be thrown well before the WR stops. It has to get there right when the WR turns around - there should literally be no wait time at all for the WR after the turn. If you don't do this, the DB has time to close the gap on the pass.

When #2 crossed the 35 he has close to a 5 yard cushion from the DB (#5 had the same thing basically). For this route - that's considered WIDE OPEN. He decelerates starting at the 37, and the DB stops backpedaling and holds ground at the 40. At this point, the ball should be on the way. Realistically, it should already be in #5s hands at this point since he was running the same concept - although his open window was a bit smaller so understand why JM didn't make that throw - the DB just didn't give as much cushion. #2 sticks his foot into the turf on the 38 and completes his turn to the inside and the DB starts to close the gap. The ball should be there NOW, but this is actually when JM throws. If the ball is on time, the DB has no shot at anything other than making a tackle. However the ball is late, so the Vandy DB has time to close the gap and break up the pass. A DB who is only slightly quicker, probably cuts inside that pass...

I agree, but could also say that a more experienced WR, as the primary receiver on that play, might have gotten his head around faster and made a better play on the ball.

Milroe released the ball on time. He has too much trust in Williams, IMO.

 

[Slowpoke Catracho]

This was a great catch by Williams! The way he can control and contort his body is incredible.

 

[CajunCrimson]

The Defense didn't do it's job, but I'd like to analyze this a bit deeper...

1. Pick six -- not on the defense
2. Milroe Fumble -- (I think that turned into 3 points -- might have been 7)
3. Two #2s on the punt return -- extended the drive - turned into either 3 or 7 points (again, not sure)

So, anywhere from 13 to 21 points -- that aren't on the defense.

Vandy was predicted to score about 20 points in the game -- so, the math says -- the defense underperformed, but any of those 3 above don't happen, we are complaining, but we aren't jumping off the Tallahachee Bridge...

 

[DanoCanuck]

After having a couple more days to digest this debacle I’m even more pi$$ed!

I dont think CKD realizes what he stepped in. “win like a team, lose like a team” and other coach speak nonsense he’s said since the loss doesn't begin to address the embarrassment and magnitude of what happened. He presided over the most embarrassing loss in Alabama history! Let that sink in for a minute.

The more I think about it the more I worry he’s not the right man for the job. This week is going to be a huge test for him and this team.

 

[gtgilbert]

I agree, but could also say that a more experienced WR, as the primary receiver on that play, might have gotten his head around faster and made a better play on the ball.

Milroe released the ball on time. He has too much trust in Williams, IMO.

so that's where we disagree. IMO, the ball was very late arriving as JM didn't start the throw until AFTER RW planted for the turn. On this one, he should have thrown it right as RW crossed the 35 and started to decelerate and then the DB doesn't have the time to close the gap. Even if RW got his head around faster, the ball would not have been there because he'd come back from the 38 to the 36 before the ball arrived. See below.

RW is STARING at the ball, he's fully turned around, waiting. The ball should already be in his hands but it's just barely across the 30 and the DB has had time to close the gap already and is in great shape to get the PBU. This DB already chose to not try to undercut the route and just play for the PBU.



Also, #5 was likely the primary as his route stopped half a count earlier. Honestly he was open (at least as open as these routes gets). His was similar but instead of a straight stop and back, it was a stop to the outside as the DB played inside shoulder. It was also there if the ball is on time.