Milroe's accuracy

[cbi1972]

So again, why has only Milroe had to endure this crowd of ever-present critics? Why are other QB's allowed their share of mistakes, but each one by Milroe is proof that Bill O'Brien was a genius and that anyone but Jalen should be our starter?

The criticism has been abundant and detailed, and I don't think you really want to have it rehashed again, though I'm sure it will be.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

Maybe, but no level of caterwauling on this board is going to change anything.

I know, I know, I don't have to read the posts if I don't want to...but it's just gotten ridiculous.

The level of emotional and mental investment some have in continually hammering away at how bad he is must be exhausting.

And as I said (just my opinion), it's moved from legitimate criticism to little more than a constant refrain of whining and crying.

It's actually reached the point that it's pathetic.

I don’t know what to say?

I guess it depends on how you (royal you) the reader interpret the tone of the post.

I don’t really perceive any of the discussion on either side as whiny except for maybe the complaints about the complaining..lol

To me none of the points being made are exaggerated or overblown.

Yes everything that can be said or argued has been said and argued so maybe I’d agree that it’s all getting tiresome on both sides.

Me… I’m not even that worked up about it anymore.

This past game vs Mizzou pretty much broke my spirit.

If there were ever going to be one last chance to give Ty some meaningful reps it was last Saturday and all that happened was he got to come in with less than 5 mins to handoff.

I mean that’s bad enough as it is but then I read a comment postgame and some says to paraphrase them..

“Well Ty looked good…. Handing the ball off” in this rubbing it in your face kind of way.

So I mean where are we with the whole debate?

People just want to be right I guess and be petty about it too?

Again I’m just depressed and defeated by the whole thing.

 

[TitleWave]

Maybe the Milroe haters should start their own echo chamber/chat room where they can whine and moan and complain and doomsay to their hearts content.

Already an echo chamber on jeeroids carping about and cr@pping on QB1.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I don’t know what to say?

If there were ever going to be one last chance to give Ty some meaningful reps it was last Saturday and all that happened was he got to come in with less than 5 mins to handoff.

I mean that’s bad enough as it is but then I read a comment postgame and some says to paraphrase them..

“Well Ty looked good…. Handing the ball off” in this rubbing it in your face kind of way.

Which tells me the staff doesn't think Ty is that good. I look at how Sark runs his offense and I promise you Manning would have been in the game at the 8-10 minute mark of the fourth QTR and if the staff thought anything of Simpson, he would to. I'm getting the growing suspicion Ty isn't as good as many on here want to believe he is and two staffs have confirmed it. Unfortunately, it makes me overly concerned about our QB situation going into 2025 and has me thinking if Milroe doesn't come back CKD will be going into the portal.

Because as you stated, and I think you're right btw, if there was any GREAT time to get Simpson some reps when the game was WELL IN HAND it was the fourth quarter of the Mizzoo game. So CKD not giving him a shot speaks volumes (IMO) as to where they think Simpson is from a development standpoint.

 

[GboyBama]

“There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics”

As to the question, for me it is simple, the eye test. Milroe makes simple look hard at times. Bryce wasn't perfect by any means and had his own imperfections, but the kid executed at an extremely high level. He made accurate throws. He made hard throws look easy. He made easy throws. We can compare scores, records, statistics, height, weight, 40 times, etc. but Bryce looked and played the part.

Making sure I get this right. Throw out quantifiable statistics and W-L results and it comes down to style?

Kinda proves my point doesn't it?

In fact, if Jalen has inherent drawbacks and struggles to do what he does, doesn't that make it even more impressive that he's able to produce very similar results to the sainted Bryce, who everything always seemed easy for?

 

[BamaInCummingGA]

I'm sorry, but saying he's only played 2.5 quarters of quality football is ridiculous.

You don't have to be all-in on Milroe to know that's absurd.

In what other game has HE (not the team but HE) really shined? Tennessee? Vandy? I'll give you Western Kentucky but they couldn't get any pressure on him. Wisconsin? was hit or miss. Missouri? 10 points in the first have when the game should have been over by the half.
So, please tell me where he really shines?

 

[cdub55]

Making sure I get this right. Throw out quantifiable statistics and W-L results and it comes down to style?

Kinda proves my point doesn't it?

In fact, if Jalen has inherent drawbacks and struggles to do what he does, doesn't that make it even more impressive that he's able to produce very similar results to the sainted Bryce, who everything always seemed easy for?

I didn't say throw out any and all stats. To paraphrase the question that was asked, "why is JM being dragged and Bryce got a pass". It doesn't take a trained eye to see why. To keep from catching the wrath of the "we have heard enough" pseduo-moderators, I'll keep from listing those reasons. On top of the on the field issues, JM hasn't endeared himself to the fans from his off the field and locker room supposed issues (ie Lank). Stats and records matter. So does making plays when plays are there to be made. If JM was getting sacked and our LT blew his assignment and he was blindsided, that's one thing. If JM has decent protection and overthrows or doesn't see a wide open WR, that's another.

 

[cbi1972]

Making sure I get this right. Throw out quantifiable statistics and W-L results and it comes down to style?

Kinda proves my point doesn't it?

In fact, if Jalen has inherent drawbacks and struggles to do what he does, doesn't that make it even more impressive that he's able to produce very similar results to the sainted Bryce, who everything always seemed easy for?

Nolan Ryan had an abysmal W-L record relative to his pitching dominance.

 

[cdub55]

Which tells me the staff doesn't think Ty is that good. I look at how Sark runs his offense and I promise you Manning would have been in the game at the 8-10 minute mark of the fourth QTR and if the staff thought anything of Simpson, he would to. I'm getting the growing suspicion Ty isn't as good as many on here want to believe he is and two staffs have confirmed it. Unfortunately, it makes me overly concerned about our QB situation going into 2025 and has me thinking if Milroe doesn't come back CKD will be going into the portal.

Because as you stated, and I think you're right btw, if there was any GREAT time to get Simpson some reps when the game was WELL IN HAND it was the fourth quarter of the Mizzoo game. So CKD not giving him a shot speaks volumes (IMO) as to where they think Simpson is from a development standpoint.

Not that I'm a fan of Freshman starting QB's in the SEC, but don't be shocked if Keelon Russell doesn't make a push to lead us out in 2025. Kid is special.

 

[BamaInCummingGA]

The Tenn game was unimaginably bad and Mizzou not much better and nothing changed so I don’t think anyone has to worry about a change.

We could lose every single game by 2 TDs the rest of the season and he’ll be the only QB that attempts a Pass until 2025.

And this right here is why us looney Milroe detractors have a problem.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

Which tells me the staff doesn't think Ty is that good. I look at how Sark runs his offense and I promise you Manning would have been in the game at the 8-10 minute mark of the fourth QTR and if the staff thought anything of Simpson, he would to. I'm getting the growing suspicion Ty isn't as good as many on here want to believe he is and two staffs have confirmed it. Unfortunately, it makes me overly concerned about our QB situation going into 2025 and has me thinking if Milroe doesn't come back CKD will be going into the portal.

Because as you stated, and I think you're right btw, if there was any GREAT time to get Simpson some reps when the game was WELL IN HAND it was the fourth quarter of the Mizzoo game. So CKD not giving him a shot speaks volumes (IMO) as to where they think Simpson is from a development standpoint.

I think it has more to do with the behind the scenes ‘agreements’.

He played vs WKU and Wisc and was allowed to throw the ball a few times.

There is no way the staff is not aware of the heated online debates over the QB situation.

My feeling is CKD is trying to shut down the discussion by riding out the season with Jalen and keeping Ty an ‘unknown’ to not create a major disruption.

I don’t think Ty would have stayed this year unless CKD saw potential in him and insiders elsewhere have said Ty looked great in Summer/Fall camp and scrimmages.

I know someone here also said that the staff was very high on him.

So I still think he’ll be a Good QB… but we won’t see it until ‘25.

 

[crimsonaudio]

I get it, trust me. But it can be said that it is also tedious for posters to try to moderate what can and can't or should and shouldn't be said. When is too much? Moderators and rules are here for a reason. Let them do their job and we as posters do ours, which is to give our opinions. If someone is stepping over the lines, the moderators can suspend or send a "friendly reminder" message to said poster and handle it.

Maybe that was the no-so-heavy-handed point of my post...

 

[BamaInCummingGA]

One thing I can't help but notice is how different Milroe is treated versus Bryce Young.

With each guy as a two year starter (though Jalen's second is incomplete), here's what we know:

Both guys lost at Tennessee in their first try.
Bryce 1-1 versus Tennessee, Jalen 1-1
Bryce 1-1 versus Georgia, Jalen 2-0
In their first years, Bryce lost in the playoff versus the national champion and Jalen lost in the playoff to the national champion.
Bryce didn't make the playoff at all in his second year. Milroe still to be determined.
Both guys played a ridiculously close game with Auburn their first year in command, requiring insane heroics to pull out the victory.
Both guys undefeated against Auburn
Bryce 1-1 versus LSU. Jalen 1-0 with one game to go...

Folks can get more in the weeds with the comparisons, but for every argument, there's a good counter. (Jalen lost to Vandy, but then Bryce had a far more solidly stable coaching situation. Milroe didn't win a Heisman, but he has set record breaking statistical marks, etc.) Where the rubber meets the road is success against rivals and winning championships. In that regard, the two guys are quite similar and I think it's inarguable that Milroe has navigated it all with college football, and our program particularly, in transition.

So again, why has only Milroe had to endure this crowd of ever-present critics? Why are other QB's allowed their share of mistakes, but each one by Milroe is proof that Bill O'Brien was a genius and that anyone but Jalen should be our starter?

If you can't watch Young beside Milroe and tell the difference then I don't know what to tell you.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I think it has more to do with the behind the scenes ‘agreements’.

He played vs WKU and Wisc and was allowed to throw the ball a few times.

There is no way the staff is not aware of the heated online debates over the QB situation.

My feeling is CKD is trying to shut down the discussion by riding out the season with Jalen and keeping Ty an ‘unknown’ to not create a major disruption.

I don’t think Ty would have stayed this year unless CKD saw potential in him and insiders elsewhere have said Ty looked great in Summer/Fall camp and scrimmages.

I know someone here also said that the staff was very high on him.

So I still think he’ll be a Good QB… but we won’t see it until ‘25.

With a blowout already in tow, regardless of the "locker room issues", putting Ty in to get some mopup reps and keep the starter from getting injured in a blowout is a common occurrence in football. So doing that shouldn't have been a threat to anyone on the team and been an EASY sell.

 

[GboyBama]

I didn't say throw out any and all stats. To paraphrase the question it was asked, "why is JM being dragged and Bryce got a pass". It doesn't take a trained eye to see why. To keep from catching the wrath of the "we have heard enough" pseduo-moderators, I'll keep from listing those reasons. On top of the on the field issues, JM hasn't endeared himself to the fans from his off the field and locker room supposed issues (ie Lank). Stats and records matter. So does making plays when plays are there to be made. If JM was getting sacked and our LT blew his assignment and he was blindsided, that's one thing. If JM has decent protection and overthrows or doesn't see a wide open WR, that's another.

Like there haven't been a million things hampering Milroe's success. Again, it's the one sided narrative I can't get behind.

I feel I'm probably pushing moderator patience as well, but the errant snaps sailing over his head from the Texas to the Michigan games all last season do come to mind.

I could continue the list, but I'll shut up now. I appreciate your take.

 

[BamaMoon]

Johnny Manziel was a better scrambler than Milroe and he had no where near the speed Milroe has. But that little sucker was slippery and hard to tackle.

Sitting on the 50 yard line in person that day in 2012 (the day Johnny Football "won the Heisman"), I heard a couple of old, seasoned Bama fans behind me say, "He's slicker than a greased weasel."

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Sitting on the 50 yard line in person that day in 2012 (the day Johnny Football "won the Heisman"), I heard a couple of old, seasoned Bama fans behind me say, "He's slicker than a greased weasel."

Yeah, like a wet bar of soap. Just when I thought we had him sacked he'd pop through and either burn us for double-digit yard runs or throw one thirty yards downfield for a completion.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

With a blowout already in tow, regardless of the "locker room issues", putting Ty in to get some mopup reps and keep the starter from getting injured in a blowout is a common occurrence in football. So doing that shouldn't have been a threat to anyone on the team and been an EASY sell.

I agree it should.

But maybe someone on staff sees a thread where 80% of fans think Ty should start the game and Jalen be benched and they are trying to squash that narrative.

If Ty comes in and just starts throwing ropes all over the place hitting guys in stride then the noise would only get louder.

Maybe I’m wrong and I’m just trying to make sense out of something that doesn’t make sense.

I just feel like if Ty was truly not good we would have heard that.

I haven’t seen anyone that’s seen closed practices and scrimmages say that. They only said he looked very good.

 

[BamaMoon]

I think it has more to do with the behind the scenes ‘agreements’.

He played vs WKU and Wisc and was allowed to throw the ball a few times.

There is no way the staff is not aware of the heated online debates over the QB situation.

My feeling is CKD is trying to shut down the discussion by riding out the season with Jalen and keeping Ty an ‘unknown’ to not create a major disruption.

I don’t think Ty would have stayed this year unless CKD saw potential in him and insiders elsewhere have said Ty looked great in Summer/Fall camp and scrimmages.

I know someone here also said that the staff was very high on him.

So I still think he’ll be a Good QB… but we won’t see it until ‘25.

This is where my "opinion" rests. And I've heard the staff really is high on TS.

With a blowout already in tow, regardless of the "locker room issues", putting Ty in to get some mopup reps and keep the starter from getting injured in a blowout is a common occurrence in football. So doing that shouldn't have been a threat to anyone on the team and been an EASY sell.

Unless he throws 3 or 4 darts. He hits a slant in stride. He perfectly times a 3rd down throw on 3rd and 7 and hits a guy for an eight yard gain. He hits a seam route between a LB and Safety. Those are the kind of throws JM struggles to make. But if TS started making them, it could add to the drama that many people in the know say already exists in the locker room. And imagine the new thread about QBs if that happened.

 

[CoolBreeze]

This could affect the accuracy of any QB

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